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Northern Ireland Marches, should they ban them?
Watching MW this morning and was /am interested in peoples take on this, would banning such marches create even more violence?
Is it not time to forget something that took place over 300 years ago? and try to move forward.
Is it not time to forget something that took place over 300 years ago? and try to move forward.
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"Ich, will it ever get better where people will stop goading others of a different culture or is it too well embedded in their tradition that it will never ever end?"
Probably not, if you put it like that. Wherever you get rival factions you will always get goading and provocation. Just look at football matches and political marches all over the place. Arguably if you let people express themselves freely so that they don't feel that their tradition is being threatened or dominated by the other side then you will reduce the tension. The ending or virtual ending, of terrorism, has also helped do that.
Unfortunately the reality on the ground in Belfast in particular means there are lots of communities living at close quarters with "the other side" and all sorts of fears and misunderstandings mount in those situations. And sadly there are still people about on both sides who are only too happy to exploit those things.
Probably not, if you put it like that. Wherever you get rival factions you will always get goading and provocation. Just look at football matches and political marches all over the place. Arguably if you let people express themselves freely so that they don't feel that their tradition is being threatened or dominated by the other side then you will reduce the tension. The ending or virtual ending, of terrorism, has also helped do that.
Unfortunately the reality on the ground in Belfast in particular means there are lots of communities living at close quarters with "the other side" and all sorts of fears and misunderstandings mount in those situations. And sadly there are still people about on both sides who are only too happy to exploit those things.
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BBC news report
Twenty-two police officers were injured during rioting in Belfast on Monday night. A bus was hijacked and driven at police during the disturbances ahead of the annual Twelfth of July celebrations.
Crowds of nationalists also threw petrol bombs and masonry at police during serious rioting in the west of the city.
Twenty-two police officers were injured during rioting in Belfast on Monday night. A bus was hijacked and driven at police during the disturbances ahead of the annual Twelfth of July celebrations.
Crowds of nationalists also threw petrol bombs and masonry at police during serious rioting in the west of the city.
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Twenty-two police officers were injured during rioting in Belfast on Monday night. A bus was hijacked and driven at police during the disturbances ahead of the annual Twelfth of July celebrations.
Crowds of nationalists also threw petrol bombs and masonry at police during serious rioting in the west of the city. "
Two things ought to strike one about that report, in light of the original question: "ahead of the annual..." and "nationalists". I am absolutely not picking on one side here, as the other side were at it too, but perhaps in this particular case it isn't really the provocation of the parades that is the problem.
Twenty-two police officers were injured during rioting in Belfast on Monday night. A bus was hijacked and driven at police during the disturbances ahead of the annual Twelfth of July celebrations.
Crowds of nationalists also threw petrol bombs and masonry at police during serious rioting in the west of the city. "
Two things ought to strike one about that report, in light of the original question: "ahead of the annual..." and "nationalists". I am absolutely not picking on one side here, as the other side were at it too, but perhaps in this particular case it isn't really the provocation of the parades that is the problem.
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not when its irrelevant and a given...then its just pointless
it does not really need to be pointed out in an argumentative way that while some religious protests become violent also many do not and are peaceful - thats kind of stating the obvious really isnt it, and adds nothing to the debate, since the debate is abiout the ones that do.
it does not really need to be pointed out in an argumentative way that while some religious protests become violent also many do not and are peaceful - thats kind of stating the obvious really isnt it, and adds nothing to the debate, since the debate is abiout the ones that do.
The question was "Northern Ireland Marches Should They Ban Them"
You can't hold a reasonable discussion about that topic without pointing out that the majority of marches are peaceful. It might be obvious to you but it is not obvious to a lot of people, because of the impression (no doubt inadvertently) given by the media. Contentious marches are already banned.
Much of the trouble of the last couple of nights was caused by nationalist folk from outside their own particular area coming in and aggravating hostile attitudes to local Loyalist "feeder" parades. While there is no doubt a lot of sympathy for the local people being resentful of these parades coming near their area, these parades are well policed and do not interfere with the local communities. All these protesters are doing is causing mayhem for the very people they claim to be "protecting"
Anyway I notice you are now referring to "religious protests" - so to fair I am not sure what you mean by that.
You can't hold a reasonable discussion about that topic without pointing out that the majority of marches are peaceful. It might be obvious to you but it is not obvious to a lot of people, because of the impression (no doubt inadvertently) given by the media. Contentious marches are already banned.
Much of the trouble of the last couple of nights was caused by nationalist folk from outside their own particular area coming in and aggravating hostile attitudes to local Loyalist "feeder" parades. While there is no doubt a lot of sympathy for the local people being resentful of these parades coming near their area, these parades are well policed and do not interfere with the local communities. All these protesters are doing is causing mayhem for the very people they claim to be "protecting"
Anyway I notice you are now referring to "religious protests" - so to fair I am not sure what you mean by that.
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