the poor lose out again

[DrFilth]

don't you love it when the tories say > in real terms <

does this mean they were only joking or lying terms last time

http://itn.co.uk/uk/2...out+in+NHS+reforms%27


god help the sick under the tory and liberals

[Kromovaracun]

"his answer was , that t***will be doctoring the figures to make it look good"

Maybe so. But what I'm challenging here is this idea you have that when people say 'in real terms', it's some meaningless token of spin. This is patently wrong.

The Ed will be aware of what I mean when I say it isn't debatable. Seeing as you're not, I'll spell it out: If you are arguing with what the phrase 'real terms' means, then you are wrong. It's like debating whether 6 + 4 = 10. Seriously. Don't take my word for it - I'm a pretentious student who gets things wrong sometimes. Go and look it up in your local library. 'Real terms' is a perfectly valid and common term for a way of measuring value, not some spontaneous piece of spin. If you think it's flawed, then by all means say so - that's your right. But you can't do that until you understand what it is, which with all due respect you clearly don't.

factor: I'm beginning to feel that way as well, but it just saddens me to have to do that. At the back of my head, I'm just hoping that DF will see what I'm getting at, and that I'm not trying to say he doesn't have the right to be cynical - just that he should do so accurately. Maybe I'm just naive like that.

[DrFilth]

rowanwitch there have been reports in all the papers this is one from the guardian

notice it is the guardian not the mail etc

http://www.guardian.c...reases-may-cost-lives

[rowanwitch]

Kromo..
don't let it get to you...
You are not the most 'pedantic' on here (by a long way) nice to see someone using objectivity where a topic can be too open to the personal leanings of others

[DrFilth]

kromovaracum you could bring all the people from this place to me
http://www.sbs.ox.ac.uk/Pages/default.aspx

and i will give you and them the same answer they use the real term to fiddle the figures and make it look good

[askyourgran]

How can you say the Drf after all the horror stories during the Labour Gvt reign, people were left on trollies in hospital corridors for 10 hours or more before getting a bed, no time to feed the elderley who couldn't feed themselves. Sound familiar? No fiddling of figures only gross ineptitude.

[DrFilth]

askyourgran read all the post

read the one with the blind sign above her bed that was a few weeks back

the old lady sat in bed waiting over 30 minutes for a commode was a week back

[factor-fiction]

DrFilth- announcing an increase in spending in real terms is not the same as claiming that all waiting lists will be eliminated, all problems will disappear, all meals will be placed in the right part of the bed.
You could double NHS spending (in real terms or absolute terms) but people will still have to wait for some operations or die in hospital

[DrFilth]

people know that there will be waiting lists strange how when the tories are in they get longer and longer and longer and longer

the nhs will be safe in our hands , hope he was not in goals for the school team


you are right people die in hospital

i have never seen as many sick people in all my life

[askyourgran]

Dr F read all the other posts, this is not a new occurence, this was endemic during the 13 year Labour rule. What were the assurances then? In real terms its no different to the old lady waiting for a commode, except then she would have already wet herself waiting for a bed.

[DrFilth]

askyourgran with the wards closing down and staff cuts do you not think we are going to go back to them days

[factor-fiction]

So are you able to tell us Doc roughly what increase in NHS spending is needed to eliminate all these problems?

[DrFilth]

factor30 i think you would be better asking kromovaracum he is the man for figures

[Kromovaracun]

Oh Jesus Christ.

I have a train to catch.

[DrFilth]

factor here is some money they could have used for the nhs instead of blowing things up


http://www.guardian.c...aign-has-cost-uk-260m

[factor-fiction]

Just as I thought- you criticise the Tories' level of NHS spending but have no alternative proposals for expenditure levels

[DrFilth]

if i criticise man city would expect me to play better football than the players they have

[DrFilth]

Steve it has worked for some on here

[DrFilth]

that should have said

would you expect me