K, the legal eagles at the council, the councillers themselves must be heartily sick of this matter, if its gone on this long, perhaps they want to see the end of it. And i said as much as LoftyL that if permitted to remain, which some seem to think is the right option, then this could be the precedent that some want, in other words, if they remain, then why can't other travellers, non travellers do the same. Buy land, don't ask the council for permission to build, just do it, and then cite this case as a reason not to move.