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Only 10? It'll take more than that to instill decent driving skills into her.....!
Seriously, how can their government give Saudi women the right to vote yet continue to enforce such draconian laws?
Only 10? It'll take more than that to instill decent driving skills into her.....!
Seriously, how can their government give Saudi women the right to vote yet continue to enforce such draconian laws?
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i agree with ankou's first sentence ^^^^^ The women I've discussed it with wear niqab out of personal choice. I know one woman who's family objects to her wearing it but she ignores them.
I am extremely against women being forced to wear it..... but banning it will not stop enforced wearing.... the women who are forced to wear it would become prisoners in their own home but would still have to wear it around the house if certain men where there ...... on the other hand the women who wear it out of choice would have the choice to stay in or go out without it.... in effect banning it would cause the women who are being oppressed to become even further oppressed
I am extremely against women being forced to wear it..... but banning it will not stop enforced wearing.... the women who are forced to wear it would become prisoners in their own home but would still have to wear it around the house if certain men where there ...... on the other hand the women who wear it out of choice would have the choice to stay in or go out without it.... in effect banning it would cause the women who are being oppressed to become even further oppressed
//most of the women i deal with who wear them say they do it out of their own free choice. //
Surely that should be rephrased to read 'all of the women I deal with'. Those who don't do it of their own free choice wouldn't be allowed to speak to you - but why bother to speak up for their rights? Out of sight, out of mind - literally!
//People can hide bombs under anything, but in case you hadn't noticed, airport security has ways round that cunning dodge!//
Yes, people can hide bombs in all sorts of places, but if their faces are visible they can be identified. Now there's a cunning dodge for airport security to latch onto!
// I don't like burqas, neither does my Moslem wife//
Unless you're Muslim yourself, I very much doubt that your wife comes from a strictly religious family because she wouldn't have been allowed to marry you.
//I'm afraid I am going to have to say the word: "Islamophobia"//
Ah, yes, that old cherry. I was waiting for someone to resort to that. Odd isn't it? When someone actually cares about the mistreatment other people are subjected to, they themselves become the target of abuse. What a strange world.
//in effect banning it would cause the women who are being oppressed to become even further oppressed//
We've already done this bit, but I don't mind repeating what I said. Firstly, by saying it would cause women to become even further repressed, you are championing the aggressor instead of the victim. In effect you are condoning the actions of the bully. Secondly, Muslim men aren't going to do women's work outside the home for long, and emancipation has to begin somewhere. If it begins with the removal of the burqa from our society then hopefully the next generation of Muslim women in this country will not only be able integrate - but eventually they will also be free to seek, and to receive, the dental or medical treatment they require, which is something the men in their lives prevent them from doing now unless a female doctor is available to treat them.
I get the distinct impression that, unlike me, very few people contributing to this thread have ever spoken to the kind of women I'm talking about. Perhaps you should. Oh, of course, that advice can only apply to the women here.
Surely that should be rephrased to read 'all of the women I deal with'. Those who don't do it of their own free choice wouldn't be allowed to speak to you - but why bother to speak up for their rights? Out of sight, out of mind - literally!
//People can hide bombs under anything, but in case you hadn't noticed, airport security has ways round that cunning dodge!//
Yes, people can hide bombs in all sorts of places, but if their faces are visible they can be identified. Now there's a cunning dodge for airport security to latch onto!
// I don't like burqas, neither does my Moslem wife//
Unless you're Muslim yourself, I very much doubt that your wife comes from a strictly religious family because she wouldn't have been allowed to marry you.
//I'm afraid I am going to have to say the word: "Islamophobia"//
Ah, yes, that old cherry. I was waiting for someone to resort to that. Odd isn't it? When someone actually cares about the mistreatment other people are subjected to, they themselves become the target of abuse. What a strange world.
//in effect banning it would cause the women who are being oppressed to become even further oppressed//
We've already done this bit, but I don't mind repeating what I said. Firstly, by saying it would cause women to become even further repressed, you are championing the aggressor instead of the victim. In effect you are condoning the actions of the bully. Secondly, Muslim men aren't going to do women's work outside the home for long, and emancipation has to begin somewhere. If it begins with the removal of the burqa from our society then hopefully the next generation of Muslim women in this country will not only be able integrate - but eventually they will also be free to seek, and to receive, the dental or medical treatment they require, which is something the men in their lives prevent them from doing now unless a female doctor is available to treat them.
I get the distinct impression that, unlike me, very few people contributing to this thread have ever spoken to the kind of women I'm talking about. Perhaps you should. Oh, of course, that advice can only apply to the women here.
Anyone who's concerned about this should lobby their MP for UK to stop supporting the Saudi regime, who are enforcing the extreme Wahabi version of Islam.
They are trying to export Wahabism to other countries, including UK, and widely suspected of funding world terrorism.
It's a guess what would replace them, but could it be worse?
They are trying to export Wahabism to other countries, including UK, and widely suspected of funding world terrorism.
It's a guess what would replace them, but could it be worse?
"Unless you're Muslim yourself, I very much doubt that your wife comes from a strictly religious family because she wouldn't have been allowed to marry you.
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I am a Moslem for that very reason. But I don't practice.
"//I'm afraid I am going to have to say the word: "Islamophobia"//
Ah, yes, that old cherry. I was waiting for someone to resort to that. Odd isn't it? When someone actually cares about the mistreatment other people are subjected to, they themselves become the target of abuse. What a strange world.
That argument can be turned on its head.. You seem to drift from a frankly Islamophobic position to one of bleeding heart feminist when it suits you.
(I think you mean chestnut not cherry btw :-) )
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I am a Moslem for that very reason. But I don't practice.
"//I'm afraid I am going to have to say the word: "Islamophobia"//
Ah, yes, that old cherry. I was waiting for someone to resort to that. Odd isn't it? When someone actually cares about the mistreatment other people are subjected to, they themselves become the target of abuse. What a strange world.
That argument can be turned on its head.. You seem to drift from a frankly Islamophobic position to one of bleeding heart feminist when it suits you.
(I think you mean chestnut not cherry btw :-) )
Em, we can only hope.
ichkeria, when you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate - and it seems you floundered quite a while back.
//I am a Moslem for that very reason.//
Haaa! Oh, how funny! I almost spat my coffee out when I read that! Yes of course you are. ;o)
Well, there's clearly no more to say so I'm off elsewhere now - but do please carry on if you want to ichkeria. The more gullible may be hanging on to your every word. ;o)
ichkeria, when you resort to attacking the messenger and not the message, you have lost the debate - and it seems you floundered quite a while back.
//I am a Moslem for that very reason.//
Haaa! Oh, how funny! I almost spat my coffee out when I read that! Yes of course you are. ;o)
Well, there's clearly no more to say so I'm off elsewhere now - but do please carry on if you want to ichkeria. The more gullible may be hanging on to your every word. ;o)
the sentence has been overruled by the king, which is pretty much what I expected. It appears the authorities are mostly ignoring women driving in the hopes that it will become accepted; but this woman presumably was unlucky.
ichkeria, experience suggests that most AB threads about the Middle East swiftly descend into Islamophobia and personal abuse. Stick with it, though; it's always interesting to hear personal testimony rather than preconception.
ichkeria, experience suggests that most AB threads about the Middle East swiftly descend into Islamophobia and personal abuse. Stick with it, though; it's always interesting to hear personal testimony rather than preconception.
"ichkeria, experience suggests that most AB threads about the Middle East swiftly descend into Islamophobia and personal abuse. Stick with it, though; it's always interesting to hear personal testimony rather than preconception. "
In all honesty there's very little testimony in what I'm saying, but hopefully some common sense.
This has come a long way from the Saudi women driver issue, but lively all the same. I don't take abuse personally, i am too busy trying to detach the people on my back hanging on to my every word lol
In all honesty there's very little testimony in what I'm saying, but hopefully some common sense.
This has come a long way from the Saudi women driver issue, but lively all the same. I don't take abuse personally, i am too busy trying to detach the people on my back hanging on to my every word lol
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