'Abuse' What Does It Mean To You?
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boxy......yes.......but where is the competition?..........it is basically and has been, jobs for life, excellent pensions based on final salaries (always unaffordable) and for the less enthusiastic, a safe environment subsidized by the taxpayer.
Nothing wrong in that.................if one can afford it.
Nothing wrong in that.................if one can afford it.
The public sector is an overhead. It doesn't produce anything. In times of crisis, this is where the axe falls.
The majority lower paid staff do essential work, and get a decent pension and security as deferred salary - they must be protected.
It's top heavy - there are too many managers with cushy, well paid jobs.
These jobs have blossomed under Labour's micro management, and they don't sack themselves when it comes to cuts.
Public Service pensions are run as a gigantic unfunded Ponzi scheme, and like all such frauds, it eventually has to face reality.
We have to dump managers, not workers.
But how do we do it?
The majority lower paid staff do essential work, and get a decent pension and security as deferred salary - they must be protected.
It's top heavy - there are too many managers with cushy, well paid jobs.
These jobs have blossomed under Labour's micro management, and they don't sack themselves when it comes to cuts.
Public Service pensions are run as a gigantic unfunded Ponzi scheme, and like all such frauds, it eventually has to face reality.
We have to dump managers, not workers.
But how do we do it?
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The "problem" isn't that there are lots of managers with cushy jobs and the people lower down do all the work. That's a pretty good description of any organisation public or private. It's to what extent are we ALL willing to pay for a "public" service.
The reason the axe falls on the public sector obviously is because it coests the government money. All the incompetence and inefficiency of the private sector is more of a drain on itself.
The "problem" isn't that there are lots of managers with cushy jobs and the people lower down do all the work. That's a pretty good description of any organisation public or private. It's to what extent are we ALL willing to pay for a "public" service.
The reason the axe falls on the public sector obviously is because it coests the government money. All the incompetence and inefficiency of the private sector is more of a drain on itself.
ichkeria - businesses in the private sector which are incompetent and inefficient go bust. It's the survival of the fittest. The private sector has to be efficient and show a profit in real life.
The public sector gets its money from taxation and local rates. It presents budgets, and has to spend the money to make sure it gets it the following years - have you seen all the roadworks every March?
Thetre is no reality check, and the managers have multiplied under Labour's micro management with mountains of paperwork and targets.
The public sector gets its money from taxation and local rates. It presents budgets, and has to spend the money to make sure it gets it the following years - have you seen all the roadworks every March?
Thetre is no reality check, and the managers have multiplied under Labour's micro management with mountains of paperwork and targets.
I know the point you are hoping to make but I think the question is a little flawed. Many of us end up in our first job almost by accident than design- we fancy a type of job, apply for some and get one. Others have a career in mind and follow that. I don't think people face a simple private v public dilemma when choosing their first job.
Then once we are in a job we may look at other jobs that becomes available and may apply for those that seem more attractive, whichever sector it's in.
There are pros and cons to working in either sector. There are some who are out of work that would happily work in either sector
Then once we are in a job we may look at other jobs that becomes available and may apply for those that seem more attractive, whichever sector it's in.
There are pros and cons to working in either sector. There are some who are out of work that would happily work in either sector
"ichkeria - businesses in the private sector which are incompetent and inefficient go bust. It's the survival of the fittest. The private sector has to be efficient and show a profit in real life.
The public sector gets its money from taxation and local rates. It presents budgets, and has to spend the money to make sure it gets it the following years - have you seen all the roadworks every March? "
Some organisations which need to make a profit to survive - good for them.
Some don't exist for profit. I take it you are not suggesting that consequently they serve no useful purpose?
The public sector gets its money from taxation and local rates. It presents budgets, and has to spend the money to make sure it gets it the following years - have you seen all the roadworks every March? "
Some organisations which need to make a profit to survive - good for them.
Some don't exist for profit. I take it you are not suggesting that consequently they serve no useful purpose?
That's true, Factor30. A lot of young people in the sixties and afterwards went into the Public Sector because it was a "job for life" with a "good pension" and have been waiting for the pension all their lives.
It has grown soft, and the chill wind is blowing now.
the tragedy is that the lower ranks will suffer, while the managers have the power and connections to cover their fat backsides...
It has grown soft, and the chill wind is blowing now.
the tragedy is that the lower ranks will suffer, while the managers have the power and connections to cover their fat backsides...
Sgt, because when things were going well they were all happy as pigs in sh*t with bonuses, perks and much higher wages - they would never have lowered themselves to the wages the public sector got. Now they're not getting all the benefits they used to - they don't want public sector workers to get anything either, despite the fact that those workers plodded along on the bare minimum regardless of how healthy the economy was.
"Sgt, because when things were going well they were all happy as pigs in sh*t with bonuses, perks and much higher wages - they would never have lowered themselves to the wages the public sector got. Now they're not getting all the benefits they used to - they don't want public sector workers to get anything either, despite the fact that those workers plodded along on the bare minimum regardless of how healthy the economy was."
That's the sort of post I wish I had written. It's very sad that we are even having this argument. We should all be on the same side really. I suspect that the Tory government is rather pleased to see the division ...
That's the sort of post I wish I had written. It's very sad that we are even having this argument. We should all be on the same side really. I suspect that the Tory government is rather pleased to see the division ...
I'm an old guy, and have seen the pathetic attempts of Governments to direct the economy.
Labour take your money, give you a free welfare state and leave you with pocket money. Borrowing and spending are art forms.
Tories let the people with money & influence run things, as the "profit motive" can be trusted.
They're all a bunch of self serving parasites.
Ordinary people make their choices on poor information, and regret, or enjoy them many years later.
OK there's generalisation here, but som etruth, perhaps?
Labour take your money, give you a free welfare state and leave you with pocket money. Borrowing and spending are art forms.
Tories let the people with money & influence run things, as the "profit motive" can be trusted.
They're all a bunch of self serving parasites.
Ordinary people make their choices on poor information, and regret, or enjoy them many years later.
OK there's generalisation here, but som etruth, perhaps?
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