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Are we a nation of passive racists?
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Well we are according to ex footballer John Barnes, does he suggest that we burn all these classics, such as the Nazis did in the 30s?
These books were written in a different age and reflected the feelings of explorers, colonist etc when they ventured into strange lands and encountered the natives of these lands, some which were proved to be very strange, savage and leading much different lifestyles to their own.
If these peoples also had such authors, they would have most likely have written the same sort of things about the white man.
Well we are according to ex footballer John Barnes, does he suggest that we burn all these classics, such as the Nazis did in the 30s?
These books were written in a different age and reflected the feelings of explorers, colonist etc when they ventured into strange lands and encountered the natives of these lands, some which were proved to be very strange, savage and leading much different lifestyles to their own.
If these peoples also had such authors, they would have most likely have written the same sort of things about the white man.
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sp1814
Well what can I say?
I have never seen more over generalisations, racist, and also ageist than in these posts of yours.
/// Older people are more right wing, ///
Try telling that to the older members of the Labour part, and the Union movement, the ex-ship builders, miners, steelworkers etc. etc.
True the law of the land made it illegal to be homosexual, but you can't blame the ordinary present day old person for that no more than you can blame them for state executions.
By marriage equality, you mean homosexual marriage this is a controversial subject across all ages, not just a poll conducted by one daily paper.
/// I know from growing up near Bermondsey just how bigotted some elderly Brits are. ///
And Bermondsey speaks for the rest of the UK does it, and would these bigoted elderly Brits be specifically white?
/// They grew up in a different world and are likely to have very few black friends to temper their ignorance. ///
What a racist remark to make, does one only have to have black friends so as to 'temper their ignorance' if so who is their to temper the ignorance of blacks, their white friends?
One example of a particularly nasty old women not wishing to share her cake is not an example of the rest of old persons.
/// Same with inter-racial marriage - I am old enough to remember older people refusing to attend wedding of their children if they dared to marry outside their race. ///
And are you not also old enough to know that even today there is a much wider non acceptance of mixed marriages between other races, and religions, or don't they count?
Regarding your link, that proves nothing because I have in the past also provided links of certain Research done at other Universities to prove certain other points, only for you to dismiss them as racist.
Well what can I say?
I have never seen more over generalisations, racist, and also ageist than in these posts of yours.
/// Older people are more right wing, ///
Try telling that to the older members of the Labour part, and the Union movement, the ex-ship builders, miners, steelworkers etc. etc.
True the law of the land made it illegal to be homosexual, but you can't blame the ordinary present day old person for that no more than you can blame them for state executions.
By marriage equality, you mean homosexual marriage this is a controversial subject across all ages, not just a poll conducted by one daily paper.
/// I know from growing up near Bermondsey just how bigotted some elderly Brits are. ///
And Bermondsey speaks for the rest of the UK does it, and would these bigoted elderly Brits be specifically white?
/// They grew up in a different world and are likely to have very few black friends to temper their ignorance. ///
What a racist remark to make, does one only have to have black friends so as to 'temper their ignorance' if so who is their to temper the ignorance of blacks, their white friends?
One example of a particularly nasty old women not wishing to share her cake is not an example of the rest of old persons.
/// Same with inter-racial marriage - I am old enough to remember older people refusing to attend wedding of their children if they dared to marry outside their race. ///
And are you not also old enough to know that even today there is a much wider non acceptance of mixed marriages between other races, and religions, or don't they count?
Regarding your link, that proves nothing because I have in the past also provided links of certain Research done at other Universities to prove certain other points, only for you to dismiss them as racist.
AOG
Everything I've written is based on fact.
Look at the voting patterns of those over sixty. People tend to get more right wing as they get older.
Marriage equality? Yes, it's a controversial subject, but a recent Sunday Times poll showed a far greater level of support amongst younger respondants than those over sixty.
Regarding the law of the land - are you telling me that ordinary people marched and protested in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in the sixties?
Regarding ignorance - white elderly people who don't have black friend ARE ignorant, in the truest sense...ie. not having personal knowledge of what black people are actually like.
Black people don't have that handicap, because of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black people engage with white people, simply because of numbers.
Also - why is it racist to point out a fact. Do you not realise that there are vast areas of the country that have a zero or neglible number of non-white residents? Have you not been to Wales? Scotland Northern Ireland? Have you not gone to non-urban areas?
How many other links would you like?
You seem to be asserting that young people are as racist and homophobic as their grandparents.
That is a terrible[i accusation.
Look at at films of the American Deep South (reaction to the civil rights movement) - are you saying that we haven't moved on since then?
Remember the NO BLACKS NO IRISH NO DOGS signs from the 60s? Can you imagine the same now?
The next generation is ALWAY more open, understanding and tolerant from the generation before. In 40 years time, [i]we] will be considered Neanderthals.
Everything I've written is based on fact.
Look at the voting patterns of those over sixty. People tend to get more right wing as they get older.
Marriage equality? Yes, it's a controversial subject, but a recent Sunday Times poll showed a far greater level of support amongst younger respondants than those over sixty.
Regarding the law of the land - are you telling me that ordinary people marched and protested in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in the sixties?
Regarding ignorance - white elderly people who don't have black friend ARE ignorant, in the truest sense...ie. not having personal knowledge of what black people are actually like.
Black people don't have that handicap, because of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black people engage with white people, simply because of numbers.
Also - why is it racist to point out a fact. Do you not realise that there are vast areas of the country that have a zero or neglible number of non-white residents? Have you not been to Wales? Scotland Northern Ireland? Have you not gone to non-urban areas?
How many other links would you like?
You seem to be asserting that young people are as racist and homophobic as their grandparents.
That is a terrible[i accusation.
Look at at films of the American Deep South (reaction to the civil rights movement) - are you saying that we haven't moved on since then?
Remember the NO BLACKS NO IRISH NO DOGS signs from the 60s? Can you imagine the same now?
The next generation is ALWAY more open, understanding and tolerant from the generation before. In 40 years time, [i]we] will be considered Neanderthals.
By the way, I think the APS (my link) is a reasonably reliable source. You link took us to a personal page for a social scientist, which is based on recognised flawed assumptions. It's been discredited a number of times, but still those who need to put forward the idea that black people are less intelligent than their white counterparts use it...normally there's a subtext.
Children to be taught the non existence of race, great idea, but this coming from a man who set up the Team48 motorsport for young racing drivers of afro caribbean background is not the way to go about it - now would that be called race discrimination? - As a white person it does not bother me but would a black person if it were vice versa feel the same.
Brenden
Positive discrimination - thorny subject. In this instance I would support it, because motor sport is so overwhelmingly white and middle class - its a door which is closed to so many in the UK. I would feel the same about a course set up specifically for those from economically deprived kids.
It would be nice to think that there is a level playing ground - but there isn't because Black kids are overwhelmingly from poorer backgrounds.
What other ways do you think that black kids can get into areas which are economically excluded from?
Positive discrimination - thorny subject. In this instance I would support it, because motor sport is so overwhelmingly white and middle class - its a door which is closed to so many in the UK. I would feel the same about a course set up specifically for those from economically deprived kids.
It would be nice to think that there is a level playing ground - but there isn't because Black kids are overwhelmingly from poorer backgrounds.
What other ways do you think that black kids can get into areas which are economically excluded from?
There are as many white kids as black from poor areas sp so that argument holds no water for me. If you have promise in any sport and are dedicated you will achieve the same goes for education.. John Barnes of all people to make this statement makes me quite angry, as in his field of sport I think the mix is almost equal. I hate all forms discrimination, and positive discrimination (I remarked on a thread about this quite a while ago) I find the most blatant form of racism.
Brenden
Ah - positive discrimination is the cousin of racism. You refer to it as 'blatant racism', and you DO have a point - but how do we address traditional racism?
It's already been established through a number of studies that black job applicants with exactly the same qualifications as their white counterparts are less likely to get interviews (the last study was published I think, in 2004).
How do we get a more level playing field without positive discrimination?
Referring back to your earlier point "If you have promise in any sport..."
That's simply untrue. Some sports are a closed door to anyone from poor backgrounds. It's why you see very few kids from council tower blocks playing polo - because it's very difficult getting the ponies into lifts.
Ah - positive discrimination is the cousin of racism. You refer to it as 'blatant racism', and you DO have a point - but how do we address traditional racism?
It's already been established through a number of studies that black job applicants with exactly the same qualifications as their white counterparts are less likely to get interviews (the last study was published I think, in 2004).
How do we get a more level playing field without positive discrimination?
Referring back to your earlier point "If you have promise in any sport..."
That's simply untrue. Some sports are a closed door to anyone from poor backgrounds. It's why you see very few kids from council tower blocks playing polo - because it's very difficult getting the ponies into lifts.
Brenden
I was wrong - there's been a more recent study than the one carried out in 2004. The link below takes you to a study from 2009:
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I understand why you feel positive discrimation is inherently unfair - but seeing as we demonstrably don't enjoy equal opportunities, couldn't you argue that positive discrimation simply addresses covert racism that will always exist?
I was wrong - there's been a more recent study than the one carried out in 2004. The link below takes you to a study from 2009:
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I understand why you feel positive discrimation is inherently unfair - but seeing as we demonstrably don't enjoy equal opportunities, couldn't you argue that positive discrimation simply addresses covert racism that will always exist?
I have seen a a fair bit growing up in london but we had a mixed race couple as neighbours and spent a lot of time together as families, so that helped... my mum also had gay friends too so that base was covered... However I was made angry once when self funding my own training to find the NHS trust I was working in was offering the same course to Femal Asian members of staff as they were under represented in management. However as my Asian colleague pointed out it might be because the women are having more kids and don't have time to study...
s, but in general I have never in all my years personally witnessed any deliberate harmful actions or exclusions because of skin colour.
AOG posted the above , ummmm
I wrongly assumed AOG witnessed racism on a daily basis as part of everyday life. Apparently not, which is why I am now wondering why he feels the need to source the type of story that he is infamous for.
Yet another poster using the Internet to scare themselves rigid.
AOG posted the above , ummmm
I wrongly assumed AOG witnessed racism on a daily basis as part of everyday life. Apparently not, which is why I am now wondering why he feels the need to source the type of story that he is infamous for.
Yet another poster using the Internet to scare themselves rigid.
sp1814
/// Look at the voting patterns of those over sixty. People tend to get more right wing as they get older. ///
Voting patterns of those over sixty, when did the voting papers have one's age on them?
/// Regarding the law of the land - are you telling me that ordinary people marched and protested in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in the sixties? ///
First, are you saying that gays are not also ordinary people? I think that is rather a strange remark to make.
And no, I also cannot recall any gay pride marches or any gays marching in protest either.
/// Regarding ignorance - white elderly people who don't have black friend ARE ignorant, in the truest sense...ie. not having personal knowledge of what black people are actually like. ///
No and I don't have to make a friend of a horse, to know actually what horses are like.
/// Black people don't have that handicap, because of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black people engage with white people, simply because of numbers. ///
Enough to make the huge generalisation on what elderly white folk are like it seems.
/// You seem to be asserting that young people are as racist and homophobic as their grandparents. ///
/// That is a terrible[i accusation. ///
I have never made that assertion, that white grandparents of the young are racist or homophobic.
It was you that made that terrible accusation.
/// It would be nice to think that there is a level playing ground - but there isn't because Black kids are overwhelmingly from poorer backgrounds. ///
Now let's get this right, is it the elderly white racists, or the young white racists, who are imprisoning blacks in poorer areas, and are there no whites from poorer backgrounds?
/// Look at the voting patterns of those over sixty. People tend to get more right wing as they get older. ///
Voting patterns of those over sixty, when did the voting papers have one's age on them?
/// Regarding the law of the land - are you telling me that ordinary people marched and protested in favour of decriminalising homosexuality in the sixties? ///
First, are you saying that gays are not also ordinary people? I think that is rather a strange remark to make.
And no, I also cannot recall any gay pride marches or any gays marching in protest either.
/// Regarding ignorance - white elderly people who don't have black friend ARE ignorant, in the truest sense...ie. not having personal knowledge of what black people are actually like. ///
No and I don't have to make a friend of a horse, to know actually what horses are like.
/// Black people don't have that handicap, because of course, the vast, vast, vast majority of black people engage with white people, simply because of numbers. ///
Enough to make the huge generalisation on what elderly white folk are like it seems.
/// You seem to be asserting that young people are as racist and homophobic as their grandparents. ///
/// That is a terrible[i accusation. ///
I have never made that assertion, that white grandparents of the young are racist or homophobic.
It was you that made that terrible accusation.
/// It would be nice to think that there is a level playing ground - but there isn't because Black kids are overwhelmingly from poorer backgrounds. ///
Now let's get this right, is it the elderly white racists, or the young white racists, who are imprisoning blacks in poorer areas, and are there no whites from poorer backgrounds?
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