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Is Chief Whip's Conduct Acceptable?
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In the light of the brutal slayings of two Policewomen only 3 days ago, is this the kind of conduct conducive by a senior MP to engendering Police morale? Is his own apology enough? What if that had been you or I?
And IF he used foul language, shouldn't he stand down immediately?
Cameron, though, has more or less exonerated his man - a wise move?
In the light of the brutal slayings of two Policewomen only 3 days ago, is this the kind of conduct conducive by a senior MP to engendering Police morale? Is his own apology enough? What if that had been you or I?
And IF he used foul language, shouldn't he stand down immediately?
Cameron, though, has more or less exonerated his man - a wise move?
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<a ridiculous, jobsworth copper"
What, like those brutally murdered in Manchester on Tuesday? No, there IS no difference, they're all Police Officers.>
Yes they are.
But I think 'jobsworth' relates to particular behaviour. Has anyone suggested the two officers killed were killed while they were behaving in a 'jobsworth' manner? I don't believe so.
You seem to be suggesting kero that you just group people by what or who they are with no regard to how they behave.
What, like those brutally murdered in Manchester on Tuesday? No, there IS no difference, they're all Police Officers.>
Yes they are.
But I think 'jobsworth' relates to particular behaviour. Has anyone suggested the two officers killed were killed while they were behaving in a 'jobsworth' manner? I don't believe so.
You seem to be suggesting kero that you just group people by what or who they are with no regard to how they behave.
DT,
.."no linkage between this and Manchester" So, because this incident happened in London, you seem to believe that it has no effect whatsoever on Police morale elsewhere?
I can only tell you how I and the rest of my colleagues in a provincial English city felt whilst on duty the night that PC Keith Blakelock was brutally hacked to death in London. Believe it or not - Police Officers are 'only' human as well and experience the same emotions as anyone else, no matter which part of the country they're in.
We had to carry on that same night doing our duty 'normally' as if nothing had happened. Also, I was on duty in our control room on another occasion on a night when two colleagues, known personally to me and on the same shift, were killed in a car smash. We nevertheless had to see out the rest of our shift.
.."no linkage between this and Manchester" So, because this incident happened in London, you seem to believe that it has no effect whatsoever on Police morale elsewhere?
I can only tell you how I and the rest of my colleagues in a provincial English city felt whilst on duty the night that PC Keith Blakelock was brutally hacked to death in London. Believe it or not - Police Officers are 'only' human as well and experience the same emotions as anyone else, no matter which part of the country they're in.
We had to carry on that same night doing our duty 'normally' as if nothing had happened. Also, I was on duty in our control room on another occasion on a night when two colleagues, known personally to me and on the same shift, were killed in a car smash. We nevertheless had to see out the rest of our shift.
<the night that PC Keith Blakelock was brutally hacked to death in London... a night when two colleagues, known personally to me and on the same shift, were killed in a car smash.>
I'm not sure it's appropriate to suggest that harsh language from the Chief Whip is comparable with the hacking to death of a police officer.
I'm not sure it's appropriate to suggest that harsh language from the Chief Whip is comparable with the hacking to death of a police officer.
"I can only tell you how I and the rest of my colleagues in a provincial English city felt whilst on duty the night that PC Keith Blakelock was brutally hacked to death in London. Believe it or not - Police Officers are 'only' human as well and experience the same emotions as anyone else, no matter which part of the country they're in.
We had to carry on that same night doing our duty 'normally' as if nothing had happened. Also, I was on duty in our control room on another occasion on a night when two colleagues, known personally to me and on the same shift, were killed in a car smash. We nevertheless had to see out the rest of our shift."
Not to diminish this in any way whatsoever Kerosene, but I spent 8 years in the casualty department of a hospital that received over 80% of all sectarian victims in Belfast back in the 1980's I watched people come out of ambulances in bits, literally, I lifted dead people off trolleys as their brains spilled on the floor, I contacted their relatives to tell them and I finished my shift. That was my job.
The police are not alone in suffering.
We had to carry on that same night doing our duty 'normally' as if nothing had happened. Also, I was on duty in our control room on another occasion on a night when two colleagues, known personally to me and on the same shift, were killed in a car smash. We nevertheless had to see out the rest of our shift."
Not to diminish this in any way whatsoever Kerosene, but I spent 8 years in the casualty department of a hospital that received over 80% of all sectarian victims in Belfast back in the 1980's I watched people come out of ambulances in bits, literally, I lifted dead people off trolleys as their brains spilled on the floor, I contacted their relatives to tell them and I finished my shift. That was my job.
The police are not alone in suffering.
Can I hear the world's saddest song being played on the world's tiniest violin??
You really are becoming over-inflated with your own sense of pompous self-importance on all matters Police and Military at the moment.
Even those broadly in agreement with a lot of what you say are starting to bridle at the thought of 'having to agree with you'!
Why don't you turn the dial down from 11...?
You really are becoming over-inflated with your own sense of pompous self-importance on all matters Police and Military at the moment.
Even those broadly in agreement with a lot of what you say are starting to bridle at the thought of 'having to agree with you'!
Why don't you turn the dial down from 11...?
I sincerely hope I have not been swept into the category of 'posters who clearly hold the Police in contempt'.
I would like to think that I have maintained a position of neutrality because I do not know all of the facts and do not wish to draw hasty conclusions.
I too have been close to the front line and am more than aware of what it is like to lose friends and colleagues, however, unless I know the facts I hold back with my condemnation.
I would like to think that I have maintained a position of neutrality because I do not know all of the facts and do not wish to draw hasty conclusions.
I too have been close to the front line and am more than aware of what it is like to lose friends and colleagues, however, unless I know the facts I hold back with my condemnation.
The Chief Whip regularly cycles though the main entrance to Downing Street and then one day he is not allowed. As the street is gated then it is not a public highway so I am not sure the rules of the highway code apply. As Cameron also cycles, there must be some rule in place somewhere. What has never been made clear in this case is who was in the wrong.
If the Chief Whip was right then it is understandable he was cross. The rebuke sounds fairly mild and I am sure the police officer has been called much worse.
If the police officer was right then he doesn't deserve grief off the Chief Whip.
But in the great scheme of things this story is totally irrelevent. Only a major troll would try to connect it to the murder of two police women. Yes, an apology is sufficient.
If the Chief Whip was right then it is understandable he was cross. The rebuke sounds fairly mild and I am sure the police officer has been called much worse.
If the police officer was right then he doesn't deserve grief off the Chief Whip.
But in the great scheme of things this story is totally irrelevent. Only a major troll would try to connect it to the murder of two police women. Yes, an apology is sufficient.
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