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What is happening to England?
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It would now seem that our children are no longer safe walking home from school these days.
This brutal savage sex attack, comes close on the heels of the death of a 85 year old woman, who was knocked to the ground and killed, by two young muggers snatching her bag.
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Also A man who carried out a shocking unprovoked attack on a young 16-year-old girl who was punched to the ground from behind.
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It would now seem that our children are no longer safe walking home from school these days.
This brutal savage sex attack, comes close on the heels of the death of a 85 year old woman, who was knocked to the ground and killed, by two young muggers snatching her bag.
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Also A man who carried out a shocking unprovoked attack on a young 16-year-old girl who was punched to the ground from behind.
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AOG
"Even in the days of the WW2 blackouts, women and girls were safe to walk home alone"
It might have seemed like that at the time, but actually there's evidence subsequently coming to light suggesting otherwise. Other posters have already given you numerous examples of sadistic murderers active during the Blitz (who have largely been forgotten). There's also Bob Davies, a bomb disposal officer who was discovered to have engaged in systematic theft and conning of numerous people in the course of his duties.
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What about the problem of looting after properties had been bombed? There's far too much evidence of that to ignore.
Joan Veazey, a resident of South London during the Blitz (so someone who was just as alive at the time as you were) wrote in her diary that "The most sickening thing was to see people like vultures, picking up things and taking them away. I didn't like to feel that English people would do this, but they did."
In November 1940, the Daily Mirror ran an editorial saying that "Fines and imprisonment have done nothing to stop the ghouls who rob even bodies lying in the ruins of little homes. Looting is in fact on the increase."
We even have numerous court cases and records of those who were caught in the act - plenty of prosecutions are on record from the Blitz for offences such as stealing from the dead, defrauding the services for compensating those who had their homes destroyed, and of course more looting. There's around 10,000 recorded prosecutions for looting during the Blitz.
Links, including from your beloved Daily Mail AND the left-leaning Guardian. All of them reference testimonies from people who were there (just like you were), some of them reference contemporary newspapers, others reference records of persecutions. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming.
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"Even in the days of the WW2 blackouts, women and girls were safe to walk home alone"
It might have seemed like that at the time, but actually there's evidence subsequently coming to light suggesting otherwise. Other posters have already given you numerous examples of sadistic murderers active during the Blitz (who have largely been forgotten). There's also Bob Davies, a bomb disposal officer who was discovered to have engaged in systematic theft and conning of numerous people in the course of his duties.
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What about the problem of looting after properties had been bombed? There's far too much evidence of that to ignore.
Joan Veazey, a resident of South London during the Blitz (so someone who was just as alive at the time as you were) wrote in her diary that "The most sickening thing was to see people like vultures, picking up things and taking them away. I didn't like to feel that English people would do this, but they did."
In November 1940, the Daily Mirror ran an editorial saying that "Fines and imprisonment have done nothing to stop the ghouls who rob even bodies lying in the ruins of little homes. Looting is in fact on the increase."
We even have numerous court cases and records of those who were caught in the act - plenty of prosecutions are on record from the Blitz for offences such as stealing from the dead, defrauding the services for compensating those who had their homes destroyed, and of course more looting. There's around 10,000 recorded prosecutions for looting during the Blitz.
Links, including from your beloved Daily Mail AND the left-leaning Guardian. All of them reference testimonies from people who were there (just like you were), some of them reference contemporary newspapers, others reference records of persecutions. The evidence is absolutely overwhelming.
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As for the fact that you "may not have had TV but we certainly had radio and newspapers." - well, that's certainly true. It's also true that these media outlets were far more tightly regulated by the government at the time than they are now. Especially so during the Blitz. Albeit for good reasons, the govt was actively trying to broadcast a particular image of British society at the time. It would have been damaging to morale had instances of rape/looting/murder etc. been broadcast all over the country. And they weren't wrong, either - that's essentially all that we're seeing today. People in Britain are losing morale because they're finding out more about things that have always happened.
As for the fact that you "may not have had TV but we certainly had radio and newspapers." - well, that's certainly true. It's also true that these media outlets were far more tightly regulated by the government at the time than they are now. Especially so during the Blitz. Albeit for good reasons, the govt was actively trying to broadcast a particular image of British society at the time. It would have been damaging to morale had instances of rape/looting/murder etc. been broadcast all over the country. And they weren't wrong, either - that's essentially all that we're seeing today. People in Britain are losing morale because they're finding out more about things that have always happened.
The responses I have received to my thread are nothing short of disgusting, while that poor young school child has had to undergo an operation, and who's injuries will have an effect on her both physically and mentally for the rest of her life, you lot busy yourselves with making comparisons, you should be ashamed of yourselves, and I only hope that the next time one of these savages strike it isn't one of yours who is the victim.
aog, YOU were the one making comparisons. Your question was "What is happening to England?" Lots of people have given you the correct answer: that the only thing happening is that media are reporting stories that went unreported 70 years ago.
If you wanted an answr to "Aren't these attacks disgusting?", that's the question you should have asked.
If you wanted an answr to "Aren't these attacks disgusting?", that's the question you should have asked.
AOG
You post a question "What is happening to England", then you complain when posters offer the answer that and filled with statistical facts that suggest that show that crime levels aren't escalating in a way that you might think.
Why not engage with the arguments out forward regarding crime stats?
You said in as a response to an earlier post that this is Answerbank.
I would suggest that you actually think it's 'Onlygivemetheansweriwantbank.
You post a question "What is happening to England", then you complain when posters offer the answer that and filled with statistical facts that suggest that show that crime levels aren't escalating in a way that you might think.
Why not engage with the arguments out forward regarding crime stats?
You said in as a response to an earlier post that this is Answerbank.
I would suggest that you actually think it's 'Onlygivemetheansweriwantbank.
@ AoG You really do take the biscuit. Your original post linked to a variety of attacks which the respondents here will have found shocking- indeed, most said so in their first contribution to this thread.
But do not pretend that the point of your post was merely to highlight some vicious attacks and elicit sympathy for the victims - the point of your post was to contribute to this little narrative you have going in your head - your subjective contention that the social fabric of england is breaking down, and that there now are proportionately more frequent and more vicious attacks than occured in some ill-defined golden age of England of yours - And just to remind you, it was this view that you responded to other posters on,several times. Not once did you try and suggest that this was not the point of your posts!
You have posted 6-7 times here and not once - not once! - did you suggest that posters were missing the point.All your posts were attempts to correct or rebut comments from a variety of posters that all have challenged this narrative of yours - of social and moral decline - and all have provided you with ample evidence that you are wrong.
Not once did you state that this was not the point of your original post. Not once did you claim that posters had misunderstood the point you were attempting to make in your original post - so now it would seem that the only defence you have left is to go on the attack, and attempt to claim the moral high ground.
Trying to pretend all along that the only reason you started this thread was out of sympathy with the victims of your links..when you yourself have not commented on it - thats whats disgusting here.
Its a transparently dishonest debating tactic of breathtaking cynicism that you are now attempting, and the only post here that I would consider "sick" is this pathetic attempt of yours to reframe the "debate". after 50 posts.You are the only poster here that should feel ashamed - but I am not sure you understand the concept.
But do not pretend that the point of your post was merely to highlight some vicious attacks and elicit sympathy for the victims - the point of your post was to contribute to this little narrative you have going in your head - your subjective contention that the social fabric of england is breaking down, and that there now are proportionately more frequent and more vicious attacks than occured in some ill-defined golden age of England of yours - And just to remind you, it was this view that you responded to other posters on,several times. Not once did you try and suggest that this was not the point of your posts!
You have posted 6-7 times here and not once - not once! - did you suggest that posters were missing the point.All your posts were attempts to correct or rebut comments from a variety of posters that all have challenged this narrative of yours - of social and moral decline - and all have provided you with ample evidence that you are wrong.
Not once did you state that this was not the point of your original post. Not once did you claim that posters had misunderstood the point you were attempting to make in your original post - so now it would seem that the only defence you have left is to go on the attack, and attempt to claim the moral high ground.
Trying to pretend all along that the only reason you started this thread was out of sympathy with the victims of your links..when you yourself have not commented on it - thats whats disgusting here.
Its a transparently dishonest debating tactic of breathtaking cynicism that you are now attempting, and the only post here that I would consider "sick" is this pathetic attempt of yours to reframe the "debate". after 50 posts.You are the only poster here that should feel ashamed - but I am not sure you understand the concept.
Oh dear, oh dear, I am criticised for the type of question I ask, I am criticised for using links from the Daily Mail, I am corrected if I happen to make a slight spelling mistake, I am accused of being insulting if I dare to retaliate after also being insulted, and now I am instructed what headline I should use.
My headline 'What is happening to England' was to attract ABers to the recent three crimes that I provided links to.
Surely it should be obvious to most that it was the three recent horrific crimes that wanted addressing.
But we all know why my post got such a non constructive response, because just like the recent child abduction cases, the perpetrators happen to be from the ethnic minorities.
It matters not what colour or race the perpetrators belong to, it should in no way prevent such atrocious crimes from being discussed or the reasons why any particular group happens to commit such crimes.
My headline 'What is happening to England' was to attract ABers to the recent three crimes that I provided links to.
Surely it should be obvious to most that it was the three recent horrific crimes that wanted addressing.
But we all know why my post got such a non constructive response, because just like the recent child abduction cases, the perpetrators happen to be from the ethnic minorities.
It matters not what colour or race the perpetrators belong to, it should in no way prevent such atrocious crimes from being discussed or the reasons why any particular group happens to commit such crimes.
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