Ah The Joy Of Immigration

[VHG]

Sad decline of this country

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20769904

[New Judge]

Why is VHG's question "shockingly offensive"?

There is no doubt that some (note, not all) immigrants have brought to the UK some lifestyles that many people already here find "shockingly offensive". There is also no doubt that many (but note again, not all) of the incidents such as the one described involve either immigrants or recent descendants of immigrants. Many people make this connection and conclude that immigration has not been the unfettered joy that many would have them believe.

Why is it so offensive to want to debate such an issue? Are people in this country such sensitive souls that robust debate offends them so much?

[Answerprancer]

SP, you should know by now that this is one of AOG's 'tactics' ie. he will feign misunderstanding of a person's sarcasm in order to score points in his favour.

[Answerprancer]

The "sad decline of this country" has nothing to do with immigrants - real or presumed. We have plenty of our own homegrown yobs and have done since the dawn of history.

[DaisyNonna]

My two chidren were born abroad. Does that make them immigrants as we came back here when they were young?

[pdq1]

Its in their genes and through faulty mistakes in the past have now to live with it.

[pdq1]

Don't just take my word for it:

http://theunsilencedscience.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/racial-controversy-of-violent-gene.html

[humbersloop]

imo, em and new judge make points worth measured debate, however cheap the op.

However, since you ask about not taking your word for it, I'd be really interested, pdq from the link you post, to see the availability of rigorous peer review literature of this theory, taken from a "please donate" site. Any other links?

And I wonder if the author has similar insights to offer about left-handed or red-headed people?

[bazwillrun]

"he "sad decline of this country" has nothing to do with immigrants - "

no none whatsover.........I suppose you believe in Father Christmas also

[Answerprancer]

Baz - you *would* say that, being a total racist fascist ;-)

[sp1814]

There is no question in the 'question'. It's a statement.

It does not deserve a considered answer.

[FredPuli43]

So it was a big mistake to let West Indians in to work on London Transport and then other blacks in, was it.
Makes you wish for the good old days of Jack Spot and his like, or the all- white gangs in Glasgow and other big cities, doesn't it? Those were the days.

[emmie]

Fred, not a good or reasoned response, you know full well that isn't the case, but i have spoken from a degree of experience. And our borough and any number of others in the capital have seen a sharp rise in gun and knife crime, most related to gang culture, the respect nonsense and recreational drugs, which as any knows rakes in lots of money for those who deal in them. Sadly young people are dying from this insidious trade and the fact remains many involved are young black men, who as i said, some to feel disenfranchised from mainstream society. I am not making that as an excuse, because my belief is this, if you come to Britain, which regardless of what some think offers good opportunities for young people, school, higher education, if they don't take those opportunities but waste it in the way that some seem to be, then who's fault is that. I find it strange that people come here for a better life to give to their children, then some of those children do exactly the opposite of what the parents expect. More lives lost, like the recent young black man, a victim of mistaken identity, killed by two young black men. What's the answer.

[FredPuli43]

Yes, em, but I'm not sure that any young underclass wouldn't behave in the same way, whatever its ancestry or race. Ours happens to be substantially black. The Paris has a Mahgreb one. New York had one of various races; West Side Story's were Puerto Rican.

[New Judge]

Indeed, Fred. And all the examples you quote involve immigrants or recent descendants of immigrants. Hence VHG's connection.

[anotheoldgit]

Answerprancer

/// Baz - you *would* say that, being a total racist fascist ;-) ///

It matters not whether you put a smiley after such an offensive post, this type of abuse should not be tolerated in any way.

[emmie]

AOG, ignore those who post offensive responses. Or if you feel so inclined report the matter.
I know that the original post was rather contentious, for some people in Britain immigration no matter where the people come from has not been a good thing. If one cannot debate that and put across a point of view then all is lost.

[anotheoldgit]

em10

Totally agree Em, I suppose I should have ignored it, but this is the very over done tactic that some use in their wish to stifle free discussion on this most important topic, immigration, and one that effects us all in this country one way or another.

[emmie]

those who are in favour will always see those who are not, or at least not in such record numbers as cranks and racists, without looking over the parapet at the mess we are in.

[FredPuli43]

Yes, if we didn't have immigration we wouldn't have a young underclass. Yes, well that makes sense!

[ichkeria]

I'm sorry but if you post a statement "Ah The Joy of Immigration" in relation to a story such as the one in the link (as opposed to a story actually about the joys of immigration) then you are (probably deliberately) asking for a particular type of response, in addition to whatever else you may get.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out - advice I've often given before :-)