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cameron says wednesday is a day to remember thatcher,I ask you, are we ever, ever going to forget her.??? or forgive her.
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People in South Wales and other "mining" areas seem to think that if Margaret Thatcher had never become PM their area would still be full of active coal mines, and there would be full employment.
Well for a starter did you know more coal mines were closed in the 1960s and 1970s under LABOUR than under Thatcher. Labour closed 331 mines in the 60s and 70s.
Secondly, some of these areas seem to think the world owes them a living. Even if there is little coal, even if it costs more to get it out the ground than you can sell it for, then they expect to keep being subsidised by the government.
Well years ago places like Manchester were the centre of the cotton trade. The city grew up on it. But then times changed and the cotton trade went, but the city changed and adapted and grew. But you don't get loads of people in Manchester sitting around bemoaning the fact the cotton trade has gone.
If the mines close then get off your backside and start new businesses, or move to an area where there is work. Don't just sit around moaning that somebody closed your mine 30 or 40 years ago.
I had my haircut a few days ago. They guy was an immigrant from Iran. He had come here, learned a trade, married an Australian girl who was over here at Warwick university, now now lives in Warwick, and supports Chelsea.
Of course he could have just sat on his a**e in Iran and spent the rest of his life moaning about having no job or no money. But he didn't, he got off his backside and did something about it.
So many people think they should be supported by the state and are not willing to do anything for themselves.
Well for a starter did you know more coal mines were closed in the 1960s and 1970s under LABOUR than under Thatcher. Labour closed 331 mines in the 60s and 70s.
Secondly, some of these areas seem to think the world owes them a living. Even if there is little coal, even if it costs more to get it out the ground than you can sell it for, then they expect to keep being subsidised by the government.
Well years ago places like Manchester were the centre of the cotton trade. The city grew up on it. But then times changed and the cotton trade went, but the city changed and adapted and grew. But you don't get loads of people in Manchester sitting around bemoaning the fact the cotton trade has gone.
If the mines close then get off your backside and start new businesses, or move to an area where there is work. Don't just sit around moaning that somebody closed your mine 30 or 40 years ago.
I had my haircut a few days ago. They guy was an immigrant from Iran. He had come here, learned a trade, married an Australian girl who was over here at Warwick university, now now lives in Warwick, and supports Chelsea.
Of course he could have just sat on his a**e in Iran and spent the rest of his life moaning about having no job or no money. But he didn't, he got off his backside and did something about it.
So many people think they should be supported by the state and are not willing to do anything for themselves.
There's an interesting letter in the Daily Mail (yes I know!) today from a man who was employed to survey Cortonwood Colliery in the sixties. He concluded that that mine, and probably other in the South Yorkshire area were reaching the end of their natural lives after 100 years of use. His conclusion is that the blame for closing down the coal industry should lie squarely on the shoulders of Arthur Scargill, and that he used the closure of Cortonwood as an excuse to incite the miners to strike, and that the prolonged closure of the countries mines caused the neglect of them which was the final nail in the coffin of the industry.
As little as that, eh, youngmaf!?
"vhg...not sure why you put mining like this... "mining" "
The reason is, mikey, that these areas are no longer mining areas. They haven't been so for thirty years. The problem is that many of the people living there still believe they are, people who haven't been down a coal mine for thirty years (and many who haven't been down a coal mine at all) still regard them as mining areas, and people who have never been to the area, were not born in 1979, and who like to associate themselves with every protest movement that surfaces out of the rag bag that is the Left like to regard them as “mining” areas.
We don’t mine coal in the UK in any quantity any more in the UK for the same reason as we no longer spin cotton, we no longer make plastic toys to go into boxes of Corn Flakes, we no longer manufacture cutlery. It’s because other people do it more efficiently. Stuff happens and when it does you get on with it, don’t keep harping about how your life has been devastated by events of thirty years ago (which would have happened anyway with or without Mrs T, only over a longer and more painful period) and make the best of life that you can. There’s nothing to forgive Lady Thatcher for.
"vhg...not sure why you put mining like this... "mining" "
The reason is, mikey, that these areas are no longer mining areas. They haven't been so for thirty years. The problem is that many of the people living there still believe they are, people who haven't been down a coal mine for thirty years (and many who haven't been down a coal mine at all) still regard them as mining areas, and people who have never been to the area, were not born in 1979, and who like to associate themselves with every protest movement that surfaces out of the rag bag that is the Left like to regard them as “mining” areas.
We don’t mine coal in the UK in any quantity any more in the UK for the same reason as we no longer spin cotton, we no longer make plastic toys to go into boxes of Corn Flakes, we no longer manufacture cutlery. It’s because other people do it more efficiently. Stuff happens and when it does you get on with it, don’t keep harping about how your life has been devastated by events of thirty years ago (which would have happened anyway with or without Mrs T, only over a longer and more painful period) and make the best of life that you can. There’s nothing to forgive Lady Thatcher for.
No, of course she won't be forgotten. Hitler and Churchill are not forgotten, and nor is Guy Fawkes (who gave us the word 'guy' for a man; even Lady Thatcher hasn't given us 'maggie' for a woman). I happen to think that she did far more, and more transformational, good than bad, but each to his own.
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Hitler and Ceausescu would have been a better pairing than Hitler and Churchill in referring to Thatcher, Fred!
Guy = man originated in the USA in the 1840s, so Guy Fawkes would seem to be a rather unlikely origin of the usage, a quarter of a millennium apart in history and an ocean apart in geography.
Guy = man originated in the USA in the 1840s, so Guy Fawkes would seem to be a rather unlikely origin of the usage, a quarter of a millennium apart in history and an ocean apart in geography.
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"fellow," 1847, originally American English; earlier (1836) "grotesquely or poorly dressed person," originally (1806) "effigy of Guy Fawkes," leader of the Gunpowder Plot to blow up British king and Parliament (Nov. 5, 1605), paraded through the streets by children on the anniversary of the conspiracy. The male proper name is from French, related to Italian Guido.
"fellow," 1847, originally American English; earlier (1836) "grotesquely or poorly dressed person," originally (1806) "effigy of Guy Fawkes," leader of the Gunpowder Plot to blow up British king and Parliament (Nov. 5, 1605), paraded through the streets by children on the anniversary of the conspiracy. The male proper name is from French, related to Italian Guido.
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