Do You Believe All Muslims Are Our Enemy?

[jake-the-peg]

I get the feeling quite a lot of people on here do just wondered how many

[bazwillrun]

"I lived next door to a muslim who wouldn't talk to my Jamaican neighbour. I asked him why and he said that 'Black people live in the gutter'. Wow, lovely!"

surely youre not surprised ?
Asians have no time generally for blacks and blacks know it only too well.
how pleased they must be to see and hear their kids, like a lot of white kids also going round acting and trying to talk like blacks, over the moon i'm sure.

Asians will eventually take this country over and blacks know where there position will be once that happens

[mikey4444]

Baz...you talk such drivel sometimes. There isn't an ounce of evidence that Muslims will make up the majority in Britain at any point in the future. Where will all the white racists go if that were to happen ? The Costa Del Sol, with all those dusky Spaniards and British bank robbers ?

[naomi24]

Mikey, if they're breeding at a far greater rate than the rest of the population, as figures indicate they are, it stands to reason that if that continues, at some time in the future, Muslims will make up the majority of the population. That's simple mathematics. However, despite the ambitions of the more radical, who want to see the flag of Islam flying over Downing Street, and the imposition of Sharia Law here, I don't think it will happen. New generations, born into a western culture, will be educated to a standard unimagined by their forefathers, and hence, will eventually reject the old ways in favour of the enormous opportunities that this country has to offer them. Very few people, given the choice, opt for oppression over freedom.

[whiskeryron]

// Do You Believe All Muslims Are Our Enemy?//

No I do not believe that, but what I do believe is that Muslims are brought up differently to westerners & it is something that we must get used to. For starters we choose to ignore pretty much what our religious teachers tell us
( even a lot of Catholics these days are ignoring papal rules re. birth control)
Whereas most Muslims are taught to obey pretty well all that their Imams teach them. So the only way forward in my opinion is to try very hard to get the Imams to clearly send out the message that in this country the hard core
Muslim troublemakers will not be tolerated. I have yet to see the Muslim leaders coming forward as a group to condemn the atrocities that are taking place not only in this country but throughout the world in the name of Islam.
I do firmly believe that Islam in it's true form is a peaceful religion & the prophet Mohammed ( BUH) wold be horrified to see how it has developed.

WR.

[Baldric]

No, not all of them, but there does appear to be quite a few that are.

/// 99% plus of them are decent people ///

I see that oft quoted figure of 99% has appeared again in relation to Muslims, as I asked yesterday, where does it come from?

[razza]

YES

[tonyav]

I agree with dot's post at 11.32 last night.

[jomifl]

Baldric, just plucked out of the air I expect, it's just an expression that seems to mean 'a lot of' but sounds more convincincing as it is pseudo statistical.

[ukanonymous]

Anyone, no matter what race, that believes and devotes their life to an imaginary person in the sky is no friend of mine. They only become an enemy when they start hurting others because of their delusional beliefs.

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// I don't think it will happen. New generations, born into a western culture, will be educated to a standard unimagined by their forefathers, and hence, will eventually reject the old ways in favour of the enormous opportunities that this country has to offer them. ///

Do you really believe that naomi, because it is mainly the young one's who were born and educated here, that are mainly the fundamentalists who wish this country harm.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "mainly the young one's who were born and educated here, that are mainly the fundamentalists who wish this country harm."

neither you nor I have any direct experience of dealing with young British -born Muslims, but my lovely wife was Deputy Head at an inner-city Catholic school where the majority of the children were British-born Muslims.

The simple fact that the majority of the intake were Muslim children points to the simple fact that Muslims without a faith school of their own, are happy for the Catholic ethos of inclusivity, caring and mutual respect for all to be a template for the education of their children.

It is one school - but it provides direct personal experience, which neither you or I have - so I put it forward as a rebuttall of your previous post.

[beso]

Conflict and violence are in the foundations of all the Arahamic religions.

Their ultimate glory as chronicled in the Bible, and its prequels and sequels, is a paradise where most of the people on the planet have been slaughtered at the hands of their deity.

[anotheoldgit]

This is a question that no one can possibly truly answer, who knows?

The only true way that would settle this would be if in the distant future there was a civil war against a possible Islamic take over of this country by militant Muslims of say the Muslim Brotherhood Party.

Then we would see who fought by our side and who didn't.

Please don't say it would never happen, because like the OP who can tell?

[jim360]

While it is mainly young Muslims who appear to be radicalised, is it really a large proportion of them? I don't actually know the answer to that but there are around 2.9 million Muslims in the UK according to 2011 Census figures.

It may actually be a large proportion. A survey in 2007 suggested that young Mulsims have more radical views than older ones. The survey in question,, cited below, suggests that 36% of Muslims aged 16-24 think that converts away from Muslim "should be punished by death" compared to 19% of 55+ year olds. Both figures are precisely 100% too high.

Actually on every measure in that survey the young Muslims comes out as more radical than their elders. Then again this is true in most cases -- in Ireland there seems to be a new emergence of violence led by the younger generation. Perhaps most of the older ones are fed up with living in a state of perpetual fear...

I think I need to do a lot of reading into this over the Summer.

[jim360]

Oh yes, should cite the survey:

http://dvmx.com/British_Muslim_Youth.pdf

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// neither you nor I have any direct experience of dealing with young British -born Muslims, ///

First let me ask you, how can you possibly know that I have not had any direct dealing with young British born Muslims?

Regardless of the fact that your wife, was the Deputy Head at an inner-city Catholic school where the majority of the children were British-born Muslims, that proves nothing more than the fact that some Muslim parents had no other choice than to send their children to that school, it doesn't mean that they were happy to do so, and I don't suppose for one instance that they integrated into the learnings of the Catholic faith.

/// It is one school - but it provides direct personal experience, which neither you or I have - so I put it forward as a rebuttall of your previous post. ///

No I disagree, that your wife's experience at one Catholic school is a rebuttal of my previous post, because yesterday's murder of a young soldier supports my argument, and there are many more such terrorist actions committed in this country by young British born and British educated Muslims, that further support it.

[lightbulb247]

if you believe that then you've been fooled by the media like everyone else.

[lightbulb247]

and i dont mean you as in jake, i mean you in general

[mallyh]

no i don't

[lightbulb247]

the simple fact is that yes, you cannot deny their are some bad, misguided Muslims out there, but their are also misguided Christians, jews, hindus and so on. You cant blame the majority of muslims for the actions of a few. The majority of muslims condemn what happens and are help play a key part in British society.