Is This A Harsh Enough Sentence For These Savages?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-23808971
12/5/suspenders? can't be right.

[jake-the-peg]

Rather depends on the details which are rather sparse here


A prison sentense for 'verbal abuse' for example might seem a bit harsh - you need the details

[Octavius]

Yes possibly, but equally as important they will never be allowed to work in that profession again.

[ToraToraTora]

There was a panorama program showing there activities via hidden cameras, these where brutal evil women.

[ToraToraTora]

their!

[Octavius]

In these cases 6 months is typical, so yes, it seems about right.

[FredPuli43]

We need more detail than is provided by the link. The suspended is understandable, one act of neglect. The 'beating' of a patient sounds very bad but you have to understand that what was always called 'common assault' is now charged as 'assault by beating' because of a legal nicety. It is exactly the same offence as before, but the higher court has said that 'assault' is really only apt when there is no blow or slap etc involved, since it really means to put someone in fear of unlawful violence, as , for example, aiming a blow which misses or by having them think that they are about to be struck. If any kind of blow actually lands it is technically 'battery' and should be worded in the charge as 'by beating' or similar words. If any real injury results then it would be charged as assault occasioning actual bodily harm, a more serious offence, or gbh if the injury is serious or a wound.

[sp1814]

Octavius

Are you sure?

I looked at the link (admittedly quickly), but I couldn't see anything about them being banned from working in healthcare.

Now that I think of it, does that actually happen? I've heard of people being banned from working with children, but not other professions.

[rockyracoon]

Hopefully they'll never get through the enhanced CRB check, (now recently changed to something else). Why do they work in these professions when they clearly have no respect for people, I hope karma comes along and bites them on the arse when they are elderly.

[Hypognosis]

@FredPuli43

Can you help with the question in this thread, below? You appear to know the distinctions between assault/gbh

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Law/Criminal/Question1269396.html

thanks

[FredPuli43]

Done, hypo.

[thatsmethatis]

This is a difficult question as, in most cases, the public shout 'ITS NOT ENOUGH!' There has to be a tariff to each crime. Judging by the outcry in newspapers etc. nothing short of life is adequate for anything from burglary to murder. 12 months to me is a punishment that fits that crime and as someone has pointed out, the real punishment is that, they will not work in that environment ever again, indeed, they will be lucky to work anywhere again.

[pixie373]

Evil people. They won't be employed in "care" because they won't pass the CRB (or whatever new name is). I doubt anyone would employ them. Probably the name and shame will be more of a punishment than the sentencing.

[emmie]

not harsh enough, and they will likely end up back in health care somewhere else, i can testify that having seen ill treatment of a friend, that worker was moved to another care home, pathetic.

[anotheoldgit]

ToraToraTora

It's a little dodgy on here to use the word 'Savages' but you seemed to have passed under the radar, strange that because I am always criticised for using that word.

[viv38]

What really, really, really upsets me about this terrible treatment is that these elderly ladies were once young and vibrant, fell in love, raised their families and led their lives only to come to this ??? Makes me want to weep.

[Kramer21]

No i was horrified at the short durations of these sentences and would've been happy to see this evil trio and others like them have sentences that start in double figures and i'm talking about years not months.
Interesting to see the word "savages" used here. Do you often use 17th century colonial phrases?

[boxtops]

This - if nothing else - is a further argument for the regulation of healthcare assistants. There are currently no national standards, no "qualification" - anyone with CRB clearance can be an HCA. These women acted disgracefully - how they would return to healthcare is hard to see, given the application process for NHS jobs these days. I wouldn't give them a reference....

[boxtops]

I too think "savages" is the wrong term - "thugs" is more like it.

[hc4361]

Are you sure these are the same women as those shown on the Panorama programme?

[boxtops]

It's not, hc - Panorama was a care home - these women worked at an NHS Hospital.