What Happened In Leicester?

[sandyRoe]

A young man named Antoin Akpom is stabbed and the following night a house is firebombed and a mother with her three children die in the blaze.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24076859

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// AOG - stop trying to twist the meaning of what people are saying. It's pathetic. ///

And if I am, which I am not, doesn't almost everyone on AnswerBank do the same?

But obviously it must be touching a few bare nerves, so let's just say I am because it is having some effect.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// No AOG...I was talking about being 'British' and you changed the subject by introducing the term 'native Briton'. ///

/// That is a completely different subject. ///

Then please enlighten me, what is the difference from being 'British' to being 'Native British'?

[Gromit]

// I am White European, and can say that my ancestors going back hundreds of years were English, so I am defiantly not black or African, that I can be sure of. //

Carol Thatcher had her DNA tested for a TV programme, and she turned out to be 24% middle eastern. I do not trust your guess at your ethnicity AOG.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/iron-lady-may-be-queen-of-the-desert/story-e6frg6so-1111112436207

[tamborine]

Its telling that the father is mentioned for the family but a sportsman speaks for the youths. Is it feral youngsters prowling our streets ?

[sp1814]

AOG

You asked:

Then please enlighten me, what is the difference from being 'British' to being 'Native British'?

I asked you if I could be considered British.

I asked you directly.

You said it was dependent on a number of factors.

Then you threw 'native Briton' into the discussion.

Therefore as you brought it up, it's down to you to define what you mean.

But (once again) returning to the subject at hand - given that I meet whatever standards you have set (I speak with a London accent, I support British teams in international events, I wear a suit during the week and casuals at weekends) who's to say I am not British?

And if that's the case, what does he dog/stable thing mean?

[hc4361]

AOG, have you never heard of Anglo-American?

[sp1814]

AOG

"But obviously it must be touching a few bare nerves, so let's just say I am because it is having some effect."

Nope - it's because you keeping moving the goalposts, because your argument is hopelessly flawed.

I asked whether I was British, and you said I was not a native Briton (which was not what I asked).

I asked if F W De Klerk was African.

You changed the subject to talk about elections in South Africa.

You stated that the Philpott case was nothing to do with revenge. I pointed out that it most certainly was.

So, to be honest - yes, you are indeed having 'an effect', but it is the effect that someone has when listening to someone trying desperately to support an argument that has little merit.

[mushroom25]

SP: //I speak with a London accent//

I know we're way off topic with this, but "accent" these days is a hugely grey area - so, are you a gor-blimey cockney, do you use estuary english, or do you talk like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicultural_London_English ?

all these accents are native to the area bounded by the M25 (with variations - the accent heard in Greenford, for instance is subtly different), and all speakers of these dialects will be native born londoners.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

They are all 'MAN'S' rules we should be taking from an 'ANTHROPOLOGICAL' point of view.

Do you not agree that you are a different race from myself?

This exchange of views is getting a little close to a superior species etc etc, which I am in no way suggesting, but others my like to accuse me of, so perhaps we should end it here.

Only trying to get my point of view over regarding nationalities and culture, hope you understand sp?

[sp1814]

AOG

Race and nationality are not synonyms.

[hc4361]

AOG, so as you are English with a fine pedigree of Englishness are we to assume that you are a football hooligan, binge drink and get in to fights at weekends?
That's what English men do, right?

[sp1814]

AOG

"This exchange of views is getting a little close to a superior species etc".

I have absolutely no idea of your mindset, but I assure you that on this side of the argument at least, racial superiority was not on my mind.

At all...

[mushroom25]

//that's what englishmen do right?//

I don't - but then my great-grandad was a guernsey frenchman. maybe that makes a difference?

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT, are you British, a native Briton or both?

[hc4361]

I don't either, mushroom, but as far as I know I am pure pedigree English, too.

I do have a guilty little secret though - I knit.

[naomi24]

This is silly.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// I asked whether I was British, and you said I was not a native Briton (which was not what I asked). ///

And I asked you to explain the difference, this is natural when you are asked a question and before one answers they have the right to ask for clarification.

/// I asked if F W De Klerk was African. ///

I merely retaliated by asking if other white Presidents of South Africa were also African'

Nothing about changing the goal posts, it is what is called constructing an augment

/// You stated that the Philpott case was nothing to do with revenge. I pointed out that it most certainly was ///

I did not say 'IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH REVENGE', this is what 'I DID SAY'.

Nothing at all in common with the Philptt case, except to say a burning house causing the deaths of some children (in this case young teenagers).

The Phillpot case was were a father started a fire in his home which caused the deaths of his children, I do hope that you can't possibly be suggesting that this Leicester case is anywhere similar to the Derby case?

[tamborine]

sp why worry of opinions of pseudu intellectuals & voyeurs on here. Its your part in actual life that decides your worth in a community, albeit British on here.