At Last Labour Speak Out About Immigration

[VHG]

After decades of all the parties being scared to utter a word about immigration at last we now have a party leader who is willing to talk about it.

"Curbs on non-EU immigration will be a key priority for an incoming Labour government", said Ed Miliband on the BBC's Andrew Marr show.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24193771

There are those of us on AB who have been shouting this for years.

Low skilled immigrants, who cant speak English, don't want to integrate, and are happy to milk the benefit system for all its worth. Many of them offer nothing to this country.

There are areas of Birmingham near where I live (Sparkhill and Small Heath for example) that are virtually 100% Asian. They have been turned from poor but fairly nice suburbs of Birmingham into sh*t holes in the last 30 years as the Asians have arrived the whites have left.

If any of you went through these areas you may believe you have wandered into Pakistan or a suburb of Calcutta, with the rubbish everywhere. 30% of cars in these areas are not insured.

I find it so upsetting to drive through these areas I find other ways to drive into central Birmingham, even though one area is on a direct route into the city for me.

Hopefully all the parties will at last realise the damage unrestricted immigration has done and will start to discuss it as part of their policies.

[anotheoldgit]

mushroom25

/// there's no possibility of growth without continued immigration, since there's no-one else available to prop it up. ///

If it wasn't for continuous immigration, there wouldn't be the huge amounts to prop up, so I think we would be able to manage.

[jno]

I agree with Kromovaracun: my sister had a huge job trying to get into the country to be with her British fiancé, and every time she tried to get back in from a holiday (with him) she'd be interrogated for hours.

[jno]

that's not how it really functions, aog: the people coming in now are working and paying the pensions of those who are no longer working. Stop immigration now and todays' 40somethings will be in for a nasty shock when they retire.

[Gromit]

Milliband should have promise to cut immigration from the hundreds of thousands to the tens of thousands.

[emmie]

Milliband and his various bosses should have thought about what they were doing letting in millions of people, who had no job, many with no money, and no where to live, repercussions are felt right across the board. once the damn door is open you can't just shut it, nor can you stop them coming if they are legally entitled to do so, irrespective of whether we want or need more.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// The majority of Asians that you see now in Small Heath will be second or third generation born here, their Grandparents having taken up Enoch's generous offer. ///

Then I would have thought by now they would have embraced our culture instead of carrying on like they were on the Indian Sub-Continent or even Africa, places where most of them have most likely never been.

I hasten to add that many have become Westernised, but it is not these that create the problems.

[emmie]

when you apply to live in USA, Australia you have to have money, job and a place to stay, you can't just land there and hope and pray the state, country will keep you, if you land on their shores and are caught you are deported, we have not listened and not learned from other countries examples. We are economically in the doldrums, housing is at an all time high cost wise and renting is now certainly here in the capital almost out of reach of many.

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// and every time she tried to get back in from a holiday (with him) she'd be interrogated for hours. ///

Blame those who have abused the system just to get into this country.

It has always been the same, the majority have to suffer for the actions of a minority.

[sp1814]

AOG

"Then I would have thought by now they would have embraced our culture instead of carrying on like they were on the Indian Sub-Continent or even Africa, places where most of them have most likely never been."

As a second generation immigrant, I can assure you that you don't know what you're talking about.

Want me to explain?

[anotheoldgit]

jno

/// that's not how it really functions, aog: the people coming in now are working and paying the pensions of those who are no longer working. Stop immigration now and todays' 40somethings will be in for a nasty shock when they retire. ///

We don't need mass immigration to support those already here, for example the amount of off-springs they produce will take care of future pensioners, if no more immigrants were allowed into this country from tomorrow.

[Gromit]

Emmie,

// renting certainly here in the capital almost out of reach of many. //

The opposite is true. In London more people rent their homes than own them.

// Fewer than half of London families own the roof over their heads for the first time in 30 years.

“Generation rent” is now in the majority after soaring prices, a mortgage famine and a disastrous housebuilding slump shattered the home-buying dreams of tens of thousands of Londoners.

Latest government figures show that just 1.656 million, or 49.9 per cent, of the capital’s 3.318 million homes are occupied by the people who own them. //

[emmie]

going on the various programmes currently on tv, UK border control being one, they are getting in, many are caught, but the officials have to be very vigilant, the gang masters overseas know the system and how to exploit it, how to get the illegals into UK in lorries, it must be a very hard job seeing how much freight comes through our ports.

[emmie]

then the people who do are doubling up, not renting as a singleton, because the rents are high and getting higher. I only have to look around me to see that. Estate agents advertising rents at 400 quid a week, and more, and buying at half a million quid won't get you much.

[anotheoldgit]

emmie

/// when you apply to live in USA, Australia you have to have money, job and a place to stay, you can't just land there and hope and pray the state, country will keep you, ///

And even in the EU it would seem, one never hear of masses of British immigrants, being totally supported by other European countries, take those who have emigrated to Spain over the years, they have took their wealth with them, the Spanish government doesn't provide houses and other free benefits for them

[tamborine]

The culture of arranged marriage gives auto access here; also footholds in both countries for them. Expect asians to expand beyond saturation.

[emmie]

more poor people in the capital than ever, those wealthy are the financiers, bankers, hedge fund managers, and much property is owned by overseas companies, that use the properties as future investments, doesn't mean to say they rent them out currently. that info came straight from our council paper,

[sp1814]

emmie

No...there are also millions of us in London who are neither poor, nor rich.

Sorry - but do you know London???

It's not all plush penthouses and rat-infested hovels. Most of London is covered by property that falls between those extremes.

[emmie]

AOG which is the point i have made before that the British generally go abroad to live, work, or retire, but with cash, capital, you have to have money to buy a home to retire to, selling their properties in the UK to meet the costs, its a barmy idea you land somewhere with nothing or no means to support yourself

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Want me to explain? ///

Please enlighten me, but before you do please notice my closing paragraph that for some reason you failed to copy and paste also.

/// I hasten to add that many have become Westernised, but it is not these that create the problems. ///

[sp1814]

No AOG - not 'many'.

Most...or rather, 'practically all'.