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At Last Labour Speak Out About Immigration
After decades of all the parties being scared to utter a word about immigration at last we now have a party leader who is willing to talk about it.
"Curbs on non-EU immigration will be a key priority for an incoming Labour government", said Ed Miliband on the BBC's Andrew Marr show.
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There are those of us on AB who have been shouting this for years.
Low skilled immigrants, who cant speak English, don't want to integrate, and are happy to milk the benefit system for all its worth. Many of them offer nothing to this country.
There are areas of Birmingham near where I live (Sparkhill and Small Heath for example) that are virtually 100% Asian. They have been turned from poor but fairly nice suburbs of Birmingham into sh*t holes in the last 30 years as the Asians have arrived the whites have left.
If any of you went through these areas you may believe you have wandered into Pakistan or a suburb of Calcutta, with the rubbish everywhere. 30% of cars in these areas are not insured.
I find it so upsetting to drive through these areas I find other ways to drive into central Birmingham, even though one area is on a direct route into the city for me.
Hopefully all the parties will at last realise the damage unrestricted immigration has done and will start to discuss it as part of their policies.
"Curbs on non-EU immigration will be a key priority for an incoming Labour government", said Ed Miliband on the BBC's Andrew Marr show.
http://
There are those of us on AB who have been shouting this for years.
Low skilled immigrants, who cant speak English, don't want to integrate, and are happy to milk the benefit system for all its worth. Many of them offer nothing to this country.
There are areas of Birmingham near where I live (Sparkhill and Small Heath for example) that are virtually 100% Asian. They have been turned from poor but fairly nice suburbs of Birmingham into sh*t holes in the last 30 years as the Asians have arrived the whites have left.
If any of you went through these areas you may believe you have wandered into Pakistan or a suburb of Calcutta, with the rubbish everywhere. 30% of cars in these areas are not insured.
I find it so upsetting to drive through these areas I find other ways to drive into central Birmingham, even though one area is on a direct route into the city for me.
Hopefully all the parties will at last realise the damage unrestricted immigration has done and will start to discuss it as part of their policies.
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"But even not accounting for those things, although they have been educated in British schools all their lives, listen to the way they speak, it's a different language."
How on earth would you know? You have already said that you don't know 'them personally'.
I've explained this to you before, but you don't seem to get it...second/third generation Britons don't speak with the same accent as their parents.
Go to YouTube and search for Dizzee Rascal. Listen to his accent, and then listen to Levi Roots.
Please try to understand this - it's quite important.
How on earth would you know? You have already said that you don't know 'them personally'.
I've explained this to you before, but you don't seem to get it...second/third generation Britons don't speak with the same accent as their parents.
Go to YouTube and search for Dizzee Rascal. Listen to his accent, and then listen to Levi Roots.
Please try to understand this - it's quite important.
SP and AOG. You are both right and both wrong.
I know many 2/3rd generation brits, they have integrated talk posher than me often or have the local dialect.
But, there are others who insist on segregating themselves and go around with a chip on their shoulder. These people go out of their way to be different and do talk a 'different' language.
I know many 2/3rd generation brits, they have integrated talk posher than me often or have the local dialect.
But, there are others who insist on segregating themselves and go around with a chip on their shoulder. These people go out of their way to be different and do talk a 'different' language.
sp1814
/// "But even not accounting for those things, although they have been educated in British schools all their lives, listen to the way they speak, it's a different language." ///
/// How on earth would you know? You have already said that you don't know 'them personally'. ///
That is a ridiculous statement to make.
In your own travels abroad, do you know each and everyone personally to be able to know that they speak in an entirely different language to you?
Incidentally, why have you not answered those asking you about your Birmingham 'U'Bend comment?
/// "But even not accounting for those things, although they have been educated in British schools all their lives, listen to the way they speak, it's a different language." ///
/// How on earth would you know? You have already said that you don't know 'them personally'. ///
That is a ridiculous statement to make.
In your own travels abroad, do you know each and everyone personally to be able to know that they speak in an entirely different language to you?
Incidentally, why have you not answered those asking you about your Birmingham 'U'Bend comment?
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"One can see their shops expanding out on to the foot-ways, notice how they park their cars, sit on the bonnets of cars talking, they will even stop in front of you in the middle of the road, so as to speak with their friends in a passing car, one would take one's life in one's hands, if one dared to give them a blast of the horn. "
This is your evidence for 2nd/3rd generation Brits segregating themselves? People sitting on their cars and talking to each other in an accent that you don't like? When you have no idea how recently they came to the country?
I really don't think you're backing your argument up all that well.
This is your evidence for 2nd/3rd generation Brits segregating themselves? People sitting on their cars and talking to each other in an accent that you don't like? When you have no idea how recently they came to the country?
I really don't think you're backing your argument up all that well.
sp1814
/// AOG ///
/// You are the one saying that British people speak like their forebears, not me. ///
/// How would you know? ///
Because I have already told you, I know how their forbearers talked and still do (those who are still around), and i know how the young ones talk, and it is very ssimular.
/// How do you know that the people you're hearing on the street are third or second generation? Or recent immigrants? ///
/// You don't, do you... ///
I agree I don't, but that is not important as it was you who first brought the matter of third/second generation into the argument, I was just generalising on the whole, ie those educated in Britain, the source of that knowledge, I do have a Television and a radio and also live close by a school.
/// AOG ///
/// You are the one saying that British people speak like their forebears, not me. ///
/// How would you know? ///
Because I have already told you, I know how their forbearers talked and still do (those who are still around), and i know how the young ones talk, and it is very ssimular.
/// How do you know that the people you're hearing on the street are third or second generation? Or recent immigrants? ///
/// You don't, do you... ///
I agree I don't, but that is not important as it was you who first brought the matter of third/second generation into the argument, I was just generalising on the whole, ie those educated in Britain, the source of that knowledge, I do have a Television and a radio and also live close by a school.
AOG
You wrote:
"Because I have already told you, I know how their forbearers talked and still do (those who are still around), and i know how the young ones talk, and it is very ssimular.[sic]"
No...it isn't.
I've already tried to explain this to you, but you won't believe me. Why?
Jamaican accents are completely different from accents spoken by second and third generation Britons.
That's a fact.
They...sound...nothing...alike.
I know you don't believe me, but that's because your ears arent' attuned.
I suspect you may have the same problem as I used to, telling the difference between a New Zealand accent and an Australian one.
I can clearly hear the difference now, but only because I have Australian and Kiwi friends. Beforehand, I wouldn't have had a clue.
That's the problem you have - you can't hear the difference...but it's there, and it's very obvious to those who know.
You wrote:
"Because I have already told you, I know how their forbearers talked and still do (those who are still around), and i know how the young ones talk, and it is very ssimular.[sic]"
No...it isn't.
I've already tried to explain this to you, but you won't believe me. Why?
Jamaican accents are completely different from accents spoken by second and third generation Britons.
That's a fact.
They...sound...nothing...alike.
I know you don't believe me, but that's because your ears arent' attuned.
I suspect you may have the same problem as I used to, telling the difference between a New Zealand accent and an Australian one.
I can clearly hear the difference now, but only because I have Australian and Kiwi friends. Beforehand, I wouldn't have had a clue.
That's the problem you have - you can't hear the difference...but it's there, and it's very obvious to those who know.
sp1814
you are using your usual ploy of leading me down unrelated alleys,only to be followed by ABers such as ummmm:
/// I have quite a few friends with Jamaican parents and none of them speak with Jamaican accents. ///
I never said they did talk exactly the same in the first place, but what I did say 'SOME' didn't speak in what can only be described as your usually accepted English accent.
you are using your usual ploy of leading me down unrelated alleys,only to be followed by ABers such as ummmm:
/// I have quite a few friends with Jamaican parents and none of them speak with Jamaican accents. ///
I never said they did talk exactly the same in the first place, but what I did say 'SOME' didn't speak in what can only be described as your usually accepted English accent.
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