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Should Only English People Play For England?
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/// “If you live in England for five years it doesn’t make you English,’’ the Arsenal midfielder said. ///
/// “If you live in England for five years it doesn’t make you English,’’ the Arsenal midfielder said. ///
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As stated in the other threads, you shouldn't necessarily have to be born in a country to represent them of course, but on the other hand the current FIFA rules risk being exploited by national associations.
My view is that if a player is only in a country for football reasons then that is not a good enough reason to switch. On the other hand if someone was born abroad but was brought up in a different country and is effectively naturalised then that is a different matter
My view is that if a player is only in a country for football reasons then that is not a good enough reason to switch. On the other hand if someone was born abroad but was brought up in a different country and is effectively naturalised then that is a different matter
Zeuhl
I'm not sure that AOG's post says that.
I honestly don't know on this one.
AOG - help us us (and I'm not trying to set a trap) - would you say that if someone had a British passport, and had no residential status outside this country, they could play for England (or Scotland, Wales, NI)?
What I mean is - to play for England, you don't have to be English, but you do have to be British?
Again - I'm not trying to lay a trap.
I'm not sure that AOG's post says that.
I honestly don't know on this one.
AOG - help us us (and I'm not trying to set a trap) - would you say that if someone had a British passport, and had no residential status outside this country, they could play for England (or Scotland, Wales, NI)?
What I mean is - to play for England, you don't have to be English, but you do have to be British?
Again - I'm not trying to lay a trap.
sp1814
/I'm not sure that AOG's post says that. /
Well if aog thinks the criteria for playing for Manchester City or Utd is to 'live in Manchester'....
it logically follows doesn't it that living in England would be criteria for playing for England?
Or is assuming logic in aog's thinking hopelessly optimistic? :-)
/I'm not sure that AOG's post says that. /
Well if aog thinks the criteria for playing for Manchester City or Utd is to 'live in Manchester'....
it logically follows doesn't it that living in England would be criteria for playing for England?
Or is assuming logic in aog's thinking hopelessly optimistic? :-)
When did Yorkshire abandon their old rule that a player for the county had to have been born in Yorkshire ?
I used to belong to London Welsh. Their criteria for being accepted as Welsh were amusing and (6) was a belter !One or more of: 1) born in Wales 2) born of parents who were born in Wales 3)Welsh-speaking 4) born of parents who were/are Welsh-speaking 5) married to someone with any of the above qualities [That got me in] and 6) Being a person who , in the opinion of the committee, is a fit and proper person as a rugby player to be a member.
I used to belong to London Welsh. Their criteria for being accepted as Welsh were amusing and (6) was a belter !One or more of: 1) born in Wales 2) born of parents who were born in Wales 3)Welsh-speaking 4) born of parents who were/are Welsh-speaking 5) married to someone with any of the above qualities [That got me in] and 6) Being a person who , in the opinion of the committee, is a fit and proper person as a rugby player to be a member.
Why has Wilshire been labelled as thick (ok, he probably is) because he has an opinion. He is entitled to it, he may be wrong but then so may you lot.
It's a difficult subject but probably needs to go along the lines of being born here or of parents living here (covers those born whilst on holiday/working abroad temp), solely holds a British passport and resides only in England (or Wales for Welsh team etc etc). And that should includes all their Bank accounts !!
It's a difficult subject but probably needs to go along the lines of being born here or of parents living here (covers those born whilst on holiday/working abroad temp), solely holds a British passport and resides only in England (or Wales for Welsh team etc etc). And that should includes all their Bank accounts !!
Wilshire was photographed having a crafty fag outside a nightclub. For a week he maintained he wasn't smoking it, but holding it for a dare. It was only when other photos emerged of him holding it between his lips, that he finally fessed up.
Not very bright smoking in public if he knew ot was an issue.
Not very bright to lie about it for a week with such a stupid explanation.
Not very bright smoking in public if he knew ot was an issue.
Not very bright to lie about it for a week with such a stupid explanation.
@YMB Who on AB has labelled Wilshire as "thick"?
"Why has Wilshire been labelled as thick (ok, he probably is) because he has an opinion. He is entitled to it, he may be wrong but then so may you lot."
Who on AB has claimed that Wilshire is not entitled to an opinion?
Gromit disagreed with Wilshires opinion, but Gromit is as much entitled to disagree with an expressed opinion as Wilshire is to express one in the first place. Don't you agree?
"Why has Wilshire been labelled as thick (ok, he probably is) because he has an opinion. He is entitled to it, he may be wrong but then so may you lot."
Who on AB has claimed that Wilshire is not entitled to an opinion?
Gromit disagreed with Wilshires opinion, but Gromit is as much entitled to disagree with an expressed opinion as Wilshire is to express one in the first place. Don't you agree?
What is interesting,and somewhat ironic, is that Germany decided, after suffering badly in 1998 and 2000, that the best system for bringing on young players was to have academies in the clubs themselves, an idea which they took from England ! Germany now has a strong side, populated with players brought up under 'our' system and England is still England.
However, the Chelsea youth team, which won a title a couple of seasons back, was comprised of some English but a goodly number of foreign youths. That suggests an answer; give the foreigners 5 year contracts here and claim them as English!
However, the Chelsea youth team, which won a title a couple of seasons back, was comprised of some English but a goodly number of foreign youths. That suggests an answer; give the foreigners 5 year contracts here and claim them as English!
The offending FIFA statute
Article 17: Acquisition of a new nationality, states:
Any Player who ... [assumes] a new nationality and who has not played international football [in a match ... in an official competition of any category or any type of football for one Association] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfills one of the following conditions:
(d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.
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I believe this rule should be abolished. It doesn't really make any sense in terms of a persons nationality. The other blood ties rules, going to grandparents covers 'English' people born abroad should stay.
Article 17: Acquisition of a new nationality, states:
Any Player who ... [assumes] a new nationality and who has not played international football [in a match ... in an official competition of any category or any type of football for one Association] shall be eligible to play for the new representative team only if he fulfills one of the following conditions:
(d) He has lived continuously for at least five years after reaching the age of 18 on the territory of the relevant Association.
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I believe this rule should be abolished. It doesn't really make any sense in terms of a persons nationality. The other blood ties rules, going to grandparents covers 'English' people born abroad should stay.
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