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of the filth we have infecting our towns and cities
of course its not their fault is it !?....must be somebody or something else, society is to blame !, but definitely not their fault
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of course its not their fault is it !?....must be somebody or something else, society is to blame !, but definitely not their fault
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Zeuhl,
/ you can only blame other ABers so many times for not comprehending you; not reading you properly; or not having a dictionary to hand / Since just recently 2 ABers faile to understand the meaning of 'victimisation' & 'culture' I think my remark is appropriate.
There is a small and strangely consistent minority of ABers who appear to misunderstand me, make assumptions about what I think, put words in my mouth simply misrepresent what I say. This degrades discussion to a pointless exercise as so much time is wasted explaining a point that is easily comprehensible to anyone who is prepared to accept that what is written is what is meant.
If you want to deliberately appear to misunderstand something to make a point then go ahead but it isn't an argument.
/ you can only blame other ABers so many times for not comprehending you; not reading you properly; or not having a dictionary to hand / Since just recently 2 ABers faile to understand the meaning of 'victimisation' & 'culture' I think my remark is appropriate.
There is a small and strangely consistent minority of ABers who appear to misunderstand me, make assumptions about what I think, put words in my mouth simply misrepresent what I say. This degrades discussion to a pointless exercise as so much time is wasted explaining a point that is easily comprehensible to anyone who is prepared to accept that what is written is what is meant.
If you want to deliberately appear to misunderstand something to make a point then go ahead but it isn't an argument.
jomifl
"I suppose you are going to blame the formation of gangs in the afro-carribean community on the rest of society rather than the gang culture of the West Indies from whence it came."
Nope.
I was in a gang at school.
In fact every popular kid was.
I would venture that most people were in a gang of some description. The difference is, none of the gangs were into gang violence.
Back when I was growing up - the only gang violence we ever saw was on telly.
Football hooligans.
Who were culturally...British.
"I suppose you are going to blame the formation of gangs in the afro-carribean community on the rest of society rather than the gang culture of the West Indies from whence it came."
Nope.
I was in a gang at school.
In fact every popular kid was.
I would venture that most people were in a gang of some description. The difference is, none of the gangs were into gang violence.
Back when I was growing up - the only gang violence we ever saw was on telly.
Football hooligans.
Who were culturally...British.
/If you want to deliberately appear to misunderstand something to make a point then go ahead but it isn't an argument. /
jom
Perhaps you should learn that the responsibility for clear communication is yours
that people seeking clarification from you is probably not about 'appearing' to be anything
that 'making a point' probably IS a valid part of an 'argument'
that 'to accept that what is written is what is meant' is a quaintly simplistic and naive idea of written communication; it is more true to say that what you are communicating, is whatever your audience takes out of it
jom
Perhaps you should learn that the responsibility for clear communication is yours
that people seeking clarification from you is probably not about 'appearing' to be anything
that 'making a point' probably IS a valid part of an 'argument'
that 'to accept that what is written is what is meant' is a quaintly simplistic and naive idea of written communication; it is more true to say that what you are communicating, is whatever your audience takes out of it
Zeuhl, If I had to second guess what everyone might understand from what I say I wouldn't say anything, that is why I say what I mean. You don't need to look for hidden meanings, there aren't any. I guess I make the mistake that I share to a degree a common history with other UK citizens, it is becoming obvious that I don't. I hope that made some sort of sense :o)
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one piece of garbage collected and ready for the bin !
shouldnt be long before they get the rest
one piece of garbage collected and ready for the bin !
shouldnt be long before they get the rest
An argument over a dress? What The Funicular????
(stops to read article...)
Okay, If I read it right, one (or more) of the youths took it upon themselves to criticise the woman's standard of dress.
Give or take equivalent incidences of equally impolite white people giving a load of verbal to women wearing the burkha, let's call this cultural difference #1
- In 'polite society', we do not verbally harangue complete strangers about their standards of dress.
Presumably, the gang then cast unfavourable aspertions about her character, based on the clothes (yes, I know this is a stereotype familiar in TV/film drama), which got the reaction they were wanting out of her. Things rapidly escalated and she hit her head on the back of the bus when kicked in the stomach. Cultural difference #2
- In 'polite society' men do not physically attack women
Five males against one female? Hair pulling and attacking using their feet? A bit sissy, frankly, so I don't fancy their chances in prison.
p.s.
I used "polite society" as 'weasel words' in place of loaded descriptions, such as 'British', 'UK society', 'our culture' and so on. It's an acknowledgement that, even if we'd had zero post-war immigration, we will still have 'ruffians' of our own who would fall within any category at national level.
Let's face it, the culture clash has nothing to do with race. If you plant poor people anywhere where they are surrounded by conspicuous prosperity, all subsequent neighbourhood petty theft, vandalism, unsanitary disposal of domestic waste, anything labelled as "lowering of [behavioural] standards" will be blamed on them.
We're capable of being just as prejudiced against other white people as we are against ethnic groups. The east Europeans aren't even here yet and there's a big fuss about them.
(stops to read article...)
Okay, If I read it right, one (or more) of the youths took it upon themselves to criticise the woman's standard of dress.
Give or take equivalent incidences of equally impolite white people giving a load of verbal to women wearing the burkha, let's call this cultural difference #1
- In 'polite society', we do not verbally harangue complete strangers about their standards of dress.
Presumably, the gang then cast unfavourable aspertions about her character, based on the clothes (yes, I know this is a stereotype familiar in TV/film drama), which got the reaction they were wanting out of her. Things rapidly escalated and she hit her head on the back of the bus when kicked in the stomach. Cultural difference #2
- In 'polite society' men do not physically attack women
Five males against one female? Hair pulling and attacking using their feet? A bit sissy, frankly, so I don't fancy their chances in prison.
p.s.
I used "polite society" as 'weasel words' in place of loaded descriptions, such as 'British', 'UK society', 'our culture' and so on. It's an acknowledgement that, even if we'd had zero post-war immigration, we will still have 'ruffians' of our own who would fall within any category at national level.
Let's face it, the culture clash has nothing to do with race. If you plant poor people anywhere where they are surrounded by conspicuous prosperity, all subsequent neighbourhood petty theft, vandalism, unsanitary disposal of domestic waste, anything labelled as "lowering of [behavioural] standards" will be blamed on them.
We're capable of being just as prejudiced against other white people as we are against ethnic groups. The east Europeans aren't even here yet and there's a big fuss about them.
vile act committed by vile people, and the East Europeans are here, in large numbers, perhaps you are thinking of the next change of law coming Jan 2014, affecting the working rights of Bulgarians and Romanians, if you care to come to the capital i can show you how well this has worked, all this multi cultural, let anyone in society will blow up one day, and it won't be the politicians who will be on the receiving end,
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