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Guilty Verdict For Lee Rigsby's Killers
It had to be surely ?
Sentencing in January hope it is a long one for them both. How harrowing that had to be for his family and friends.
Sentencing in January hope it is a long one for them both. How harrowing that had to be for his family and friends.
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Great result, not sure how it could have been any different. Life sentences should be just that, for the rest of their lives. Lets hope the sentencing is appropriate too. I'm glad that at least this part is over for the Rigsby family.
17:21 Thu 19th Dec 2013
To return to reality for a few moments, those calling for whole-life sentences should not hold their breath.
Interestingly Mr Justice Sweeney has said that he will delay sentencing until January “…after a key appeal court ruling on the use of whole life terms..."
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This is interesting for a couple of reasons. Firstly the Appeal Court hearing to which he refers has been raised because the European Court of Human Rights has made it clear that it considers that “whole life” tariffs breach a prisoner's human rights.
To show just how much this is influencing UK judges consider the remarks made by Mr Justice Flaux, at Northampton Crown Court in November. The judge was sentencing Mr Anxiang Du for the cold blooded murder, in their home, of a husband and wife and their two daughters aged 18 and 12. This because he was unhappy with the outcome of a business disagreement:
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The remarks are lengthy (and I’ve chopped a few bits out) but the salient points are this:
“…I have decided that [a whole life order] is not the appropriate order for two separate reasons. First, although it could be said with some force that the gravity of this offence is exceptionally high, given that it involved the murder of four people and was premeditated with a degree of planning…the whole life order…is reserved for the few exceptionally serious offences in which, after reflecting on all the features of aggravation and mitigation, the judge is satisfied that the element of just punishment and retribution requires the imposition of a whole life order. If that conclusion is justified, the whole life order is appropriate: but only then. It is not a mandatory or automatic or minimum sentence. Having reflected on all the features of this case and without in any way underestimating its gravity, it does seem to me that this is not a case in which a whole life order is appropriate, although for reasons I will come to a lengthy minimum term clearly is appropriate.”
Second..I consider that, in the light of the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in the case of Vinter and others on 9 July 2013...the passing of a whole life sentence within the current legislative framework, which gives no right of review of such a sentence, is in breach of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
So, as horrific as the murder of Lee Rigsby was, I cannot see it being any more horrific than the slaying of an entire family in their own home. Further, even if it is considered so, the “Human Rights” angle may well scupper Judge Sweeney's attempts to impose what many people will consider the only appropriate sentence.
Interestingly Mr Justice Sweeney has said that he will delay sentencing until January “…after a key appeal court ruling on the use of whole life terms..."
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This is interesting for a couple of reasons. Firstly the Appeal Court hearing to which he refers has been raised because the European Court of Human Rights has made it clear that it considers that “whole life” tariffs breach a prisoner's human rights.
To show just how much this is influencing UK judges consider the remarks made by Mr Justice Flaux, at Northampton Crown Court in November. The judge was sentencing Mr Anxiang Du for the cold blooded murder, in their home, of a husband and wife and their two daughters aged 18 and 12. This because he was unhappy with the outcome of a business disagreement:
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The remarks are lengthy (and I’ve chopped a few bits out) but the salient points are this:
“…I have decided that [a whole life order] is not the appropriate order for two separate reasons. First, although it could be said with some force that the gravity of this offence is exceptionally high, given that it involved the murder of four people and was premeditated with a degree of planning…the whole life order…is reserved for the few exceptionally serious offences in which, after reflecting on all the features of aggravation and mitigation, the judge is satisfied that the element of just punishment and retribution requires the imposition of a whole life order. If that conclusion is justified, the whole life order is appropriate: but only then. It is not a mandatory or automatic or minimum sentence. Having reflected on all the features of this case and without in any way underestimating its gravity, it does seem to me that this is not a case in which a whole life order is appropriate, although for reasons I will come to a lengthy minimum term clearly is appropriate.”
Second..I consider that, in the light of the judgment of the European Court of Human Rights in the case of Vinter and others on 9 July 2013...the passing of a whole life sentence within the current legislative framework, which gives no right of review of such a sentence, is in breach of Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights.
So, as horrific as the murder of Lee Rigsby was, I cannot see it being any more horrific than the slaying of an entire family in their own home. Further, even if it is considered so, the “Human Rights” angle may well scupper Judge Sweeney's attempts to impose what many people will consider the only appropriate sentence.
Whole life sentenced given today in another case, NJ
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another example of who is running this country, if the judge has to kow tow to the ECHR, then it proves that we are not in full control
we have got to be able to protect the citizens of this country not be told by some other bunch whats best and what isnt.
clearly these filth are never ever going to be safe on our streets and should never be let out.
but you can almost guarantee that the ECHRubbish will probably not allow it and some do gooder parole board some years down the line will let them out becasue they say the wont do it again etc etc or some other pony ecxuse these imbeciles seem to fall for
these filth should be left to rot in jail until their last breath and then binned like the garbage swill they are.
we have got to be able to protect the citizens of this country not be told by some other bunch whats best and what isnt.
clearly these filth are never ever going to be safe on our streets and should never be let out.
but you can almost guarantee that the ECHRubbish will probably not allow it and some do gooder parole board some years down the line will let them out becasue they say the wont do it again etc etc or some other pony ecxuse these imbeciles seem to fall for
these filth should be left to rot in jail until their last breath and then binned like the garbage swill they are.
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naomi24
"Now he needs the rest of Britain's several million Muslims to stand up and visibly support him. No easy task - and it would indeed take a great amount of courage"
What kind of psychological effect would that have on people who are already psychos?
Remember when London was being bombed on a regular basis?
No amount of 'not in our name' marches in Londonderry made a scrap of difference. We Londoners had to face terrorism for 25 years, and anti-terrorism marches made bugger all difference to the Provos.
"Now he needs the rest of Britain's several million Muslims to stand up and visibly support him. No easy task - and it would indeed take a great amount of courage"
What kind of psychological effect would that have on people who are already psychos?
Remember when London was being bombed on a regular basis?
No amount of 'not in our name' marches in Londonderry made a scrap of difference. We Londoners had to face terrorism for 25 years, and anti-terrorism marches made bugger all difference to the Provos.
whole different ball game
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emmie
I doubt that those killed and maimed on the mainland would appreciate the difference between Irish terrorists and Muslim terrorists.
And as I said before - I don't think fanatics/terrorists think like us. Therefore I suspect that anti-terrorist protests would only make the general population feel better about the majority of Muslims...and I for one think, "You don't have to protest...I know you're decent people".
The same way that I wouldn't expect black people to have to march because these two happen to be black.
I doubt that those killed and maimed on the mainland would appreciate the difference between Irish terrorists and Muslim terrorists.
And as I said before - I don't think fanatics/terrorists think like us. Therefore I suspect that anti-terrorist protests would only make the general population feel better about the majority of Muslims...and I for one think, "You don't have to protest...I know you're decent people".
The same way that I wouldn't expect black people to have to march because these two happen to be black.
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