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Is This Yet Another Story We Should Not Have Been Made Aware Of By The Daily Mail?
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If one's utter disgust at these two worthless pieces of garbage makes some call a person an Islamaphobe, then so be it.
If one's utter disgust at these two worthless pieces of garbage makes some call a person an Islamaphobe, then so be it.
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Ymb
You seem to be arguing that terrorists can promote their views to a worldwide audience on YouTube because to stop them would make us like China.
You do of course know that plenty of stuff is taken down every day for legal reasons? YouTube do not vet everything they publish because of the costs involved. So terrorists can spread their vile material because Google (a very profittable company) will not take responsibility.
You seem to be arguing that terrorists can promote their views to a worldwide audience on YouTube because to stop them would make us like China.
You do of course know that plenty of stuff is taken down every day for legal reasons? YouTube do not vet everything they publish because of the costs involved. So terrorists can spread their vile material because Google (a very profittable company) will not take responsibility.
andy-hughes
/// The only issue I, and others, have with the Mail, is the slant it is willing to put on some of the stories it prints - especially if there is a chance of winding up its readership, as it has done here. ///
Surely such things as this, would wind up any person who were appalled at this kind of thing.
/// The amount of space offered to the story of a nasty man and his nasty wife aggrandaising themselves with social media is disproportionate - except of course that they are Muslims, ///
So you think it is just because they are Muslims do you, I feel sure that if they had happened to be Roman Catholics accused of abusing children or the reporting of an EDL march they wouldn't have also receive equal treatment?
/// so that moves them to the top of the Mail's agenda for constantly underlining its stance that Muslims are hate-mongering murderers. ///
Well perhaps if a large amount of the followers of the Islamic religion were to change their world-wide hate-mongering murderous ways, then perhaps there would be no need for them to be reported on in such a way?
/// You know full well AOG that being an Islamophobe involves a hatred of islam as a whole, which is an unreasonable stance by anyone's standards. ///
Not an unreasonable stance by everyone's standards, only those who's standards for some reason are prepared to accept the evils attached to such a religion.
/// No-one would call anyone an Islamophobe for expressing disgust at these two individuals - but the disgust is aimed at their expression of their views - not at the fact that they are Muslims. ///
If such crimes are carried out in the name of Islam and members of that religion are called Muslims, one goes with the other, that is unfortunate for those Muslims who would never dream of carrying out such deeds, but then they do have a choice to distance themselves from such teachings.
/// The only issue I, and others, have with the Mail, is the slant it is willing to put on some of the stories it prints - especially if there is a chance of winding up its readership, as it has done here. ///
Surely such things as this, would wind up any person who were appalled at this kind of thing.
/// The amount of space offered to the story of a nasty man and his nasty wife aggrandaising themselves with social media is disproportionate - except of course that they are Muslims, ///
So you think it is just because they are Muslims do you, I feel sure that if they had happened to be Roman Catholics accused of abusing children or the reporting of an EDL march they wouldn't have also receive equal treatment?
/// so that moves them to the top of the Mail's agenda for constantly underlining its stance that Muslims are hate-mongering murderers. ///
Well perhaps if a large amount of the followers of the Islamic religion were to change their world-wide hate-mongering murderous ways, then perhaps there would be no need for them to be reported on in such a way?
/// You know full well AOG that being an Islamophobe involves a hatred of islam as a whole, which is an unreasonable stance by anyone's standards. ///
Not an unreasonable stance by everyone's standards, only those who's standards for some reason are prepared to accept the evils attached to such a religion.
/// No-one would call anyone an Islamophobe for expressing disgust at these two individuals - but the disgust is aimed at their expression of their views - not at the fact that they are Muslims. ///
If such crimes are carried out in the name of Islam and members of that religion are called Muslims, one goes with the other, that is unfortunate for those Muslims who would never dream of carrying out such deeds, but then they do have a choice to distance themselves from such teachings.
I am not entirely sure why you feel the need to defend the Daily Mail here, AoG, when you posted this story?
As far as I am aware, the story was carried in all the newspapers - The Guardian, The Independent, The Daily Mirror, so the Mail was hardly alone in reporting this court case.
I think the majority of people in the UK would share your disgust at the actions of this couple, and that would include the majority of British muslims, who must be horrified both at the original murder of Lee Rigby, and the subsequent fall-out, views expressed and negative publicity it piles upon them.
About the only people who might feel differently, who might think Barnes and Dawson were justified in their response would be those extremist nutjobs who share the same political/ideological agenda.
Fortunately, they are a very tiny minority.
As far as I am aware, the story was carried in all the newspapers - The Guardian, The Independent, The Daily Mirror, so the Mail was hardly alone in reporting this court case.
I think the majority of people in the UK would share your disgust at the actions of this couple, and that would include the majority of British muslims, who must be horrified both at the original murder of Lee Rigby, and the subsequent fall-out, views expressed and negative publicity it piles upon them.
About the only people who might feel differently, who might think Barnes and Dawson were justified in their response would be those extremist nutjobs who share the same political/ideological agenda.
Fortunately, they are a very tiny minority.
"Well perhaps if a large amount of the followers of the Islamic religion were to change their world-wide hate-mongering murderous ways, then perhaps there would be no need for them to be reported on in such a way?"
You are on seriously thin ice with that one AOG!
Check out the number of Muslims in the world, and then calculate the infintessimal percetage of those who are extremeists - it is by no means a 'large amount'.
Better still - if you want to go down the evils of religion backed up by statistics, why not check out the (falling) number of Catholic priests, and percetage them against the (rising) number of paedophile priests.
Stats work for anyone - generalisations don't.
You are on seriously thin ice with that one AOG!
Check out the number of Muslims in the world, and then calculate the infintessimal percetage of those who are extremeists - it is by no means a 'large amount'.
Better still - if you want to go down the evils of religion backed up by statistics, why not check out the (falling) number of Catholic priests, and percetage them against the (rising) number of paedophile priests.
Stats work for anyone - generalisations don't.
LazyGun
/// I am not entirely sure why you feel the need to defend the Daily Mail here, AoG, when you posted this story? ///
The reason being because of the tone of the 'anti-Daily mail Brigade' over past threads,
/// About the only people who might feel differently, who might think Barnes and Dawson were justified in their response would be those extremist nutjobs who share the same political/ideological agenda. ///
/// Fortunately, they are a very tiny minority. ///
I would only like to agree with you, but who can tell that they are a very tiny minority, certain matters are coming to light all the time.
I just know that if I were a follower of Islam, and I witnessed what was happening all over the world in name of Islam, I would distance myself from that religion immediately.
/// I am not entirely sure why you feel the need to defend the Daily Mail here, AoG, when you posted this story? ///
The reason being because of the tone of the 'anti-Daily mail Brigade' over past threads,
/// About the only people who might feel differently, who might think Barnes and Dawson were justified in their response would be those extremist nutjobs who share the same political/ideological agenda. ///
/// Fortunately, they are a very tiny minority. ///
I would only like to agree with you, but who can tell that they are a very tiny minority, certain matters are coming to light all the time.
I just know that if I were a follower of Islam, and I witnessed what was happening all over the world in name of Islam, I would distance myself from that religion immediately.
AOG - "I just know that if I were a follower of Islam, and I witnessed what was happening all over the world in name of Islam, I would distance myself from that religion immediately."
Would you seriously dump your faith and all the comfort and support it offers simply because it is mistreated by a tiny minority?
I would suggest therefore that you may be a lapsed Christian - because the actions carried out in the name of that faith would certainly distance me if I were a believer.
Would you seriously dump your faith and all the comfort and support it offers simply because it is mistreated by a tiny minority?
I would suggest therefore that you may be a lapsed Christian - because the actions carried out in the name of that faith would certainly distance me if I were a believer.
"I just know that if I were a follower of Islam, and I witnessed what was happening all over the world in name of Islam, I would distance myself from that religion immediately"
Personally, I would prefer they distance themselves from their religion because religions are nonsense, but I do not suppose that is going to happen anytime soon.
As far as distancing yourself from your religion is concerned - how does that work, exactly? I think for many many believers, their belief is part of their culture and forms part of what shapes their lives, with attendances at places of worship, daily prayer, that sort of thing, so it is asking a lot.
And I also happen to think that many of even those who proclaim themselves to be very devout or pious are cherry-picking which bits of their religion to follow, and which to ignore.
Should Roman Catholics distance themselves from their religion, become apostates, because of the succession of revelations about the Churches handling of priests who have been accused of paedophilia/child abuse?
If you look at all the polls I have seen that ask populations about religion, you will find that, with each successive generation, the overall number of those who have a zealous belief declines. That is our hope.
Tackle the extremism through targeted vigilance and surveillance, arrest and lock up those who commit atrocities, and invest in education programmes within communities to prevent more of the young being indoctrinated with poisonous ideology, because sadly it is still the young that are less equipped to see through the poison and more likely to buy into the ideological grievances being peddled by the deluded zealots.
Personally, I would prefer they distance themselves from their religion because religions are nonsense, but I do not suppose that is going to happen anytime soon.
As far as distancing yourself from your religion is concerned - how does that work, exactly? I think for many many believers, their belief is part of their culture and forms part of what shapes their lives, with attendances at places of worship, daily prayer, that sort of thing, so it is asking a lot.
And I also happen to think that many of even those who proclaim themselves to be very devout or pious are cherry-picking which bits of their religion to follow, and which to ignore.
Should Roman Catholics distance themselves from their religion, become apostates, because of the succession of revelations about the Churches handling of priests who have been accused of paedophilia/child abuse?
If you look at all the polls I have seen that ask populations about religion, you will find that, with each successive generation, the overall number of those who have a zealous belief declines. That is our hope.
Tackle the extremism through targeted vigilance and surveillance, arrest and lock up those who commit atrocities, and invest in education programmes within communities to prevent more of the young being indoctrinated with poisonous ideology, because sadly it is still the young that are less equipped to see through the poison and more likely to buy into the ideological grievances being peddled by the deluded zealots.
andy-hughes
/// Check out the number of Muslims in the world, and then calculate the infintessimal percetage of those who are extremeists - it is by no means a 'large amount'. ///
So you think that those Muslim countries who have abysmal human rights issues, the stoning of adulteresses, the killing of homosexuals, the amputation of hands, sentenced to caning for drinking beer, female mutilation, child brides etc, etc. are not extremists?
And there are a very large amount of countries throughout the world that carry out such punishments, under sharia law.
/// Check out the number of Muslims in the world, and then calculate the infintessimal percetage of those who are extremeists - it is by no means a 'large amount'. ///
So you think that those Muslim countries who have abysmal human rights issues, the stoning of adulteresses, the killing of homosexuals, the amputation of hands, sentenced to caning for drinking beer, female mutilation, child brides etc, etc. are not extremists?
And there are a very large amount of countries throughout the world that carry out such punishments, under sharia law.
Some have chosen to attack other religions in their way of defending Muslims, which is just another form of burying their heads in the sand, or donning their rose tinted specs.
But we are not just talking about the very small minorities in this country who follow Islam, but the effect which this religion has on the world wide globe, is this something that can be simply equalised to a few Roman Catholic Priest's sexual diversions?
But we are not just talking about the very small minorities in this country who follow Islam, but the effect which this religion has on the world wide globe, is this something that can be simply equalised to a few Roman Catholic Priest's sexual diversions?
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