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Why Did People Allow The Union Flag To Be Associated With Far Right Groups?
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Which other country would allow their nation flag to become associated with right wing political factions?
In America, all people can stand behind their flag...now if you see a group of men marching down the street with the Union Flag draped around their shoulders, you can be fairly certain that their knuckles will be draping along the ground (did ya see what I did there?)
Seriously...how comes this happened to England, but not Scotland, Ireland or Wales?
Who is to blame (because I assume *someone* has to be blamed...)
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Which other country would allow their nation flag to become associated with right wing political factions?
In America, all people can stand behind their flag...now if you see a group of men marching down the street with the Union Flag draped around their shoulders, you can be fairly certain that their knuckles will be draping along the ground (did ya see what I did there?)
Seriously...how comes this happened to England, but not Scotland, Ireland or Wales?
Who is to blame (because I assume *someone* has to be blamed...)
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Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names
21:13 Thu 24th Apr 2014
AOG
Regarding England vs Britain...
You're right. I have noticed myself that in the media generally, our nation is referred to as 'Britain' rather than 'England', which is odd, because when stories are about Scotland, NI or Wales, they are described as such.
Regarding the number of ethnic minorities who join in St George's Day celebrations...perhaps again it's a matter of perception.
Whereas (for example), white people have always joined in the fun of Notting Hill, there isn't yet the draw to celebrate St George's Day.
I mean...how many white people you know organise parades, parties etc?
Compare that to St Patrick's Day last year in London. I noticed that there were quite a few black and Asian faces in the pubs and bars around Soho and the West End, all of which were throwing St Pat's celebrations.
So I doubt it's a race thing...perhaps St George's Day just doesn't have enough traction yet?
Like Halloween was not a big celebration when I was a kid, and now it's huge.
Regarding England vs Britain...
You're right. I have noticed myself that in the media generally, our nation is referred to as 'Britain' rather than 'England', which is odd, because when stories are about Scotland, NI or Wales, they are described as such.
Regarding the number of ethnic minorities who join in St George's Day celebrations...perhaps again it's a matter of perception.
Whereas (for example), white people have always joined in the fun of Notting Hill, there isn't yet the draw to celebrate St George's Day.
I mean...how many white people you know organise parades, parties etc?
Compare that to St Patrick's Day last year in London. I noticed that there were quite a few black and Asian faces in the pubs and bars around Soho and the West End, all of which were throwing St Pat's celebrations.
So I doubt it's a race thing...perhaps St George's Day just doesn't have enough traction yet?
Like Halloween was not a big celebration when I was a kid, and now it's huge.
youngmafbog
I hear what you're saying, but totem is adopted and exploited by a specific group, is it not natural human instinct to associate that totem with the group?
Take for instance the red flag...until left wing groups took it as a symbol, it was simply a red flag...now it's a symbol of left wing extremism...so much so that the Labour Party dumped it for the red rose in the 90s.
If the NF, BNP, EDL etc adopted a white flag with an oak tree on it, then I suspect that oak trees would be looked upon as 'dodgy'. But because no-one complained about our national flag being politicised, I believe collectively, we're to blame that some now see the Flag of St George as being a right wing totem.
Hence Wetherspoon's reticence to fly it.
Have I spelled 'reticence' correctly?
I hear what you're saying, but totem is adopted and exploited by a specific group, is it not natural human instinct to associate that totem with the group?
Take for instance the red flag...until left wing groups took it as a symbol, it was simply a red flag...now it's a symbol of left wing extremism...so much so that the Labour Party dumped it for the red rose in the 90s.
If the NF, BNP, EDL etc adopted a white flag with an oak tree on it, then I suspect that oak trees would be looked upon as 'dodgy'. But because no-one complained about our national flag being politicised, I believe collectively, we're to blame that some now see the Flag of St George as being a right wing totem.
Hence Wetherspoon's reticence to fly it.
Have I spelled 'reticence' correctly?
sp1814
Well here is one Muslim who is a member of the EDL and he got arrested for it, seems funny when the group of Asians that were accosting him got away with it.
/// The court heard how Rafiq claimed to have been threatened by 10 Asian men at the rally before launching into a tirade of swearing.
Prosecuting Mike Vittis said the man tried pulling a union flag from his bag before being ushered away from the scene by police. ///
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Well here is one Muslim who is a member of the EDL and he got arrested for it, seems funny when the group of Asians that were accosting him got away with it.
/// The court heard how Rafiq claimed to have been threatened by 10 Asian men at the rally before launching into a tirade of swearing.
Prosecuting Mike Vittis said the man tried pulling a union flag from his bag before being ushered away from the scene by police. ///
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sp1814
/// Compare that to St Patrick's Day last year in London. I noticed that there were quite a few black and Asian faces in the pubs and bars around Soho and the West End, all of which were throwing St Pat's celebrations. ///
Well wouldn't they have been in the pubs anyway, regardless of the fact that it was St Patrick's day or not?
/// Compare that to St Patrick's Day last year in London. I noticed that there were quite a few black and Asian faces in the pubs and bars around Soho and the West End, all of which were throwing St Pat's celebrations. ///
Well wouldn't they have been in the pubs anyway, regardless of the fact that it was St Patrick's day or not?
jomifl
That was leading on from AOG's point about St George's Day celebrations.
I assume that they can only really be organised by white indigenous English people, because we've discussed whether black and Asian people can be English, and I don't think AOG agrees this is possible.
AOG, if I've misrepresented your opinion, please shout.
That was leading on from AOG's point about St George's Day celebrations.
I assume that they can only really be organised by white indigenous English people, because we've discussed whether black and Asian people can be English, and I don't think AOG agrees this is possible.
AOG, if I've misrepresented your opinion, please shout.
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sp1814
/// Take for instance the red flag...until left wing groups took it as a symbol, it was simply a red flag...now it's a symbol of left wing extremism...so much so that the Labour Party dumped it for the red rose in the 90s. ///
"We'll keep the red flag flying here" is still Labours anthem which they sing with gusto whenever Labour supporters gather together.
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/// Take for instance the red flag...until left wing groups took it as a symbol, it was simply a red flag...now it's a symbol of left wing extremism...so much so that the Labour Party dumped it for the red rose in the 90s. ///
"We'll keep the red flag flying here" is still Labours anthem which they sing with gusto whenever Labour supporters gather together.
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we have got to this state partly because of a small group of people who for the most part don't understand its significance, and the lefties who think that we shouldn't be patriotic, wave a flag, have pride in the country we were born into, their idea of a utopian dream, almost like Dave, all in this together.
emmie
You wrote:
"we have got to this state partly because of a small group of people who for the most part don't understand its significance, and the lefties who think that we shouldn't be patriotic"
You may have a point there...in summary, it's the right wing knuckle-draggers and the loony left's fault...leaving everyone in the middle irritated!
You wrote:
"we have got to this state partly because of a small group of people who for the most part don't understand its significance, and the lefties who think that we shouldn't be patriotic"
You may have a point there...in summary, it's the right wing knuckle-draggers and the loony left's fault...leaving everyone in the middle irritated!
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