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Why Did People Allow The Union Flag To Be Associated With Far Right Groups?
This is the result:
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Which other country would allow their nation flag to become associated with right wing political factions?
In America, all people can stand behind their flag...now if you see a group of men marching down the street with the Union Flag draped around their shoulders, you can be fairly certain that their knuckles will be draping along the ground (did ya see what I did there?)
Seriously...how comes this happened to England, but not Scotland, Ireland or Wales?
Who is to blame (because I assume *someone* has to be blamed...)
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Which other country would allow their nation flag to become associated with right wing political factions?
In America, all people can stand behind their flag...now if you see a group of men marching down the street with the Union Flag draped around their shoulders, you can be fairly certain that their knuckles will be draping along the ground (did ya see what I did there?)
Seriously...how comes this happened to England, but not Scotland, Ireland or Wales?
Who is to blame (because I assume *someone* has to be blamed...)
Answers
Andre has a red flag, Chiang Ching's is blue They all have hills to fly them on except for Lin Tai Yu Dressing up in costumes, playing silly games Hiding out in tree-tops shouting out rude names
21:13 Thu 24th Apr 2014
sp1814
/// Also, AOG...I don't think you're comparing like with like. A group of black men walking down the street looks no more like a group of muggers than a group of white men walking down the street. ///
Well being a black person you would say that, but you can't alter the fact that some young black persons have by their very actions regarding muggings, and knife and gun crime have created this stereotyping.
/// However a group of skinheads *marching* down the street with the flag of St George is something very different from a group of young white men walking down the street. ///
No if they are white and young then they are also a group of young white men walking down the street.
Just because you have put a negative stereotype description on them by calling them 'skin heads' does alter the fact, that they are still a group of young white men walking/marching down the street carrying the flag of St George.i
/// I think you're comparing apples with orange. ///
Yes they are both fruits, one is crisp and crunchy and the other sweet but sometimes tangy and juicy.
Am I right in my comparison/ because I would hate to get it wrong.
/// Also, AOG...I don't think you're comparing like with like. A group of black men walking down the street looks no more like a group of muggers than a group of white men walking down the street. ///
Well being a black person you would say that, but you can't alter the fact that some young black persons have by their very actions regarding muggings, and knife and gun crime have created this stereotyping.
/// However a group of skinheads *marching* down the street with the flag of St George is something very different from a group of young white men walking down the street. ///
No if they are white and young then they are also a group of young white men walking down the street.
Just because you have put a negative stereotype description on them by calling them 'skin heads' does alter the fact, that they are still a group of young white men walking/marching down the street carrying the flag of St George.i
/// I think you're comparing apples with orange. ///
Yes they are both fruits, one is crisp and crunchy and the other sweet but sometimes tangy and juicy.
Am I right in my comparison/ because I would hate to get it wrong.
Kromovaracun
/// Can we *please* stop with the "I never see any black faces at x event in my local pub/on the telly/ in this newspaper photograph" ///
/// It means absolutely nothing. ///
Oh but it does, it simply means that black faces were conspicuous by their absence at these particular venues, on telly, or on these photographs.
Hope that clarifies matters for you?
/// Can we *please* stop with the "I never see any black faces at x event in my local pub/on the telly/ in this newspaper photograph" ///
/// It means absolutely nothing. ///
Oh but it does, it simply means that black faces were conspicuous by their absence at these particular venues, on telly, or on these photographs.
Hope that clarifies matters for you?
AOG
You wrote:
"Well being a black person you would say that, but you can't alter the fact that some young black persons have by their very actions regarding muggings, and knife and gun crime have created this stereotyping"
I disagree entirely. If you saw a group of suited and booted young black men, who say work in the city, you wouldn't immediately think 'muggers' would you?
In the same way that even though we've been flooded with stories of elderly men raping and sexually assaulting young girls over the past couple of years, I wouldn't immediately think, "Oh dear - there's an old man...I need to protect my daughter lest he slobbers over her".
You wrote:
"Well being a black person you would say that, but you can't alter the fact that some young black persons have by their very actions regarding muggings, and knife and gun crime have created this stereotyping"
I disagree entirely. If you saw a group of suited and booted young black men, who say work in the city, you wouldn't immediately think 'muggers' would you?
In the same way that even though we've been flooded with stories of elderly men raping and sexually assaulting young girls over the past couple of years, I wouldn't immediately think, "Oh dear - there's an old man...I need to protect my daughter lest he slobbers over her".
why is black on black crime so prevalent then, is it something that should be ignored. If AOG has issues with young black males walking down the street seeming threatening, and being cocky, aggressive even, should one confront them, usual response is walk out the way, they may be no threat but some just wouldn't take that chance, no matter their colour
emmie
It's odd to say that a group of young black men would be threatening, because that would cover a whole lot of very different men, wouldn't it?
I'm sure that no-one, say, would look at my young black nephew and consider him threatening, because he goes to a private school, has scrupulous manners and has never to my mind, ever displayed any outward aggression to strangers.
I suppose some people just live by stereotypes...myself included. When I see a group of skinheads draped in the flag of St George, marching down the street, I immediately sense trouble.
I suppose for some others, merely seeing black people may raise their hackles.
I for one have never assigned characteristics based solely on race. For me, there needs to be other mitigating factors, and context.
...and knuckle-dragging.
It's odd to say that a group of young black men would be threatening, because that would cover a whole lot of very different men, wouldn't it?
I'm sure that no-one, say, would look at my young black nephew and consider him threatening, because he goes to a private school, has scrupulous manners and has never to my mind, ever displayed any outward aggression to strangers.
I suppose some people just live by stereotypes...myself included. When I see a group of skinheads draped in the flag of St George, marching down the street, I immediately sense trouble.
I suppose for some others, merely seeing black people may raise their hackles.
I for one have never assigned characteristics based solely on race. For me, there needs to be other mitigating factors, and context.
...and knuckle-dragging.
emmie
You wrote:
"If AOG has issues with young black males walking down the street seeming threatening, and being cocky, aggressive even"
But AOG didn't write that. He just referred to a group of young black men. The rest you have inserted.
My point is that anyone would feel threatened by the young men you describe, whether they be black, white or Asian.
However, if you saw a group of black men walking down the street, all dressed in suits with clipboards and briefcases, you would not feel threatened, would you?
That's my point. AOG only mentioned a group of young black men. He didn't put it into context.
A lot of people do that nowadays.
You wrote:
"If AOG has issues with young black males walking down the street seeming threatening, and being cocky, aggressive even"
But AOG didn't write that. He just referred to a group of young black men. The rest you have inserted.
My point is that anyone would feel threatened by the young men you describe, whether they be black, white or Asian.
However, if you saw a group of black men walking down the street, all dressed in suits with clipboards and briefcases, you would not feel threatened, would you?
That's my point. AOG only mentioned a group of young black men. He didn't put it into context.
A lot of people do that nowadays.
so you readily admit that this idea that a white skinhead with tattoos is likely in your mind a thug, yet could be nothing of the sort, those blokes
chanting Ingerland, Ingerland, might be dads, granddads, jobs and homes, just like any other person
and if i see a group of black lads, generally i don't think here comes trouble, but i tell you what, sometimes i become rather wary around large groups of people, if you are alone and they are being somewhat noisy, aggressive
chanting Ingerland, Ingerland, might be dads, granddads, jobs and homes, just like any other person
and if i see a group of black lads, generally i don't think here comes trouble, but i tell you what, sometimes i become rather wary around large groups of people, if you are alone and they are being somewhat noisy, aggressive
i have rarely seen young black males dressed that way, most are much into the gang, hip hop, follow the pack sense of dress, jeans, trousers half way down the arse, side stepping in that loping style, akin to cool gangs in US, baseball cap at the side of the head, and many young Asians males have taken to copy them -
emmie
Well, I have a number of black friends who work in IT and work in the City and West End. We all wear suits. If anyone looked at us and assumed we were muggers, we would assume that they must have 'learning difficulties'.
...because let's be honest - you'd have to be thicker than a whale omelette to look at a suited and booted black man and think 'mugger', wouldn't you?
Or have I missed something?
Well, I have a number of black friends who work in IT and work in the City and West End. We all wear suits. If anyone looked at us and assumed we were muggers, we would assume that they must have 'learning difficulties'.
...because let's be honest - you'd have to be thicker than a whale omelette to look at a suited and booted black man and think 'mugger', wouldn't you?
Or have I missed something?
royfromaus
To me - a knuckle-dragger is an uneducated racist thug who has appropriated my national flag for political ends.
They are normally quite stupid, unable to express themselves and have knuckles that drag along the ground making a loud unpleasant sound (much like you would hear if you played a Girls Aloud album from beginning to end).
Not sure why you should find my characterisation of knuckle-draggers irritating, however I think you might be new on AB - if you are, don't worry, because 'knuckle dragger' is no more offensive than 'liberal lettuce-muncher' or 'PC zealot'.
To me - a knuckle-dragger is an uneducated racist thug who has appropriated my national flag for political ends.
They are normally quite stupid, unable to express themselves and have knuckles that drag along the ground making a loud unpleasant sound (much like you would hear if you played a Girls Aloud album from beginning to end).
Not sure why you should find my characterisation of knuckle-draggers irritating, however I think you might be new on AB - if you are, don't worry, because 'knuckle dragger' is no more offensive than 'liberal lettuce-muncher' or 'PC zealot'.
emmie
Is that what people really think?
If you saw a group of young black men in suits who were estate agents, or who worked in IT, would you think "They look like muggers"?
I find that perplexing....in the same way that I would find it extremely perplexing if people looked at a group of elderly white men as being potential paedophiles simply because Jimmy Saville attempted to have sex with every underage girl who floated into his radar...together with Stuart Hall, Ian Watkins (who had sex with babies) and Gary Glitter.
I am seriously hoping that AB residents recognise the difference between black gang members and young black men.
I would be disappointed to find out they don't.
Is that what people really think?
If you saw a group of young black men in suits who were estate agents, or who worked in IT, would you think "They look like muggers"?
I find that perplexing....in the same way that I would find it extremely perplexing if people looked at a group of elderly white men as being potential paedophiles simply because Jimmy Saville attempted to have sex with every underage girl who floated into his radar...together with Stuart Hall, Ian Watkins (who had sex with babies) and Gary Glitter.
I am seriously hoping that AB residents recognise the difference between black gang members and young black men.
I would be disappointed to find out they don't.
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