Scottish Referendum....

[ToraToraTora]

if they vote yes then do you think they should be allowed to vote in the general election next year?

[naomi24]

Well done you! Speak up for your principles and be damned - metaphorically speaking, of course. ;o)

[naomi24]

^That was to Maggie.

[jeffa]

You really surprise me, New Judge. This club analogy is pure nonsense!

As mentioned in Motley first link: "But the difficulty of getting the right name is a fascinating emblem of the depth of the problem. It could not, obviously, be called the United Kingdom, since that name derives from the union of the two which would be dissevered by a Yes vote."

[naomi24]

Let's just call it 'The Kingdom'. Job done. ;o)

[jeffa]

But that doesn't work either, Naomi. The kingdom is England, not Wales or Northern Ireland.

[naomi24]

Mmmm .... wonder if they'd mind?

[anneasquith]

lets call it '' them down there '' job done :)

[naomi24]

What you call it won't be our problem, Anne.

[New Judge]

Yes, it's certainly a strange analogy. But it's no more strange than suggesting that a nation should have to undergo a name change because a fairly insignificant proportion of its population chooses independence. The country is not, unlike say Vietnam or Korea, being split into two. It's more akin to the situation in Ukraine where Crimea has recently broken away (or more properly been broken off). Nobody has suggested that the remainder of Ukraine is renamed. And so it should be with the UK. The Scots seem to think that this is an important matter to the remainder of the UK, but quite simply it is not. It may be important to the Scots but for most people in England, Wales and NI it is a non-issue. Most people I know simply think that it will be handy if they go, a nuisance but no big deal if they choose to stay. It's certainly not of sufficient significance to prompt a name change for the area in which more than 90% of the population live.

[anneasquith]

wont be mine either :)

[Paul22118]

No.

[jeffa]

Answer me this, then. How many kingdoms would be united in the United Kingdom if Scotland were to achieve independence?

[naomi24]

I'm very pleased to hear it, Anne. :o)

[SirOracle]

Don't really see the problem. The majority of English people erroneously tend to refer to anyone who is British,as English.

Just call it England and preserve the status quo.

[jim360]

It's times like this that I begin to wonder if I'm the only English person other than David Cameron and Nigel Farage who wants the Scottish to stay!

[naomi24]

I thought I did - but now I'm not so sure. :o/

[Wharton]

anneasquith - I like your idea but I propose Toytoryland :-)

[anneasquith]

Wharton.......yes that could work.

[Baldric]

Name for the UK minus Scotland, how about
Better Off?

[Svejk]

maggiebee /// Agreed jeffa, Scotland have never voted Tory - there is only one Tory MP in Scotland but we have had to put up with a Tory government///

No, indeed, just like taffy you've always voted for the largesse of a socialist utopia.
And rattled the begging bowl under English noses to pay for it. I think it will be highly amusing to see your socialist principles crumble away when faced with the prospect of actually paying the piper yourselves.
Of course, if it turned out to be a roaring success I'm quite prepared to admit I was wrong and catch the next train up.