Rolf Harris Trial Verdict

[Jomlett]

Rolf Harris Guilty on all charges

[nailit]

seems a bit strange, cant see that they would just drop something as serious as child porn charges

[ladybirder]

Family or victims, my question still stands ivor. I'd like to understand. Try me?

[ivor4781]

it would take too long to type lady, pity we cant meet over a coffee id give you chapter and verse

[Khandro]

His paintings are exactly the same now as they were before this trial and verdict. Whether you find them good or not, why should your perception of them be altered?

[inksplotter]

Well, because buying a painting or sculpture is not like buying a pint of milk. If you buy a Henry Moore for instance you are buying into Henry Moore's reputation as a good artist.

[jno]

but presumably not just a good artist but a good man? Harris is still a good or bad artist according to taste, but it's his personal reputation that's changed here, not his professional one. If he was a good artist yesterday he still is; if you don't want his works on your wall any more it's for non-aesthetic reasons.

[Khandro]

jno; I think you are right there; both Francis Bacon and Lucien Freud's (to name but two) lifestyles would shock most middle-English sensibilities.
But to return to the subject, its must be very difficult for younger generations (and it's jurors?) to grasp just how different societies mores were over half a century ago. Consider the 'sex, drugs and rock'n'roll' explosive re-action to societies values of the time, and much more. There is, oddly enough, a photograph from around 1960 in my morning paper of today, taken at a bus stop in Alabama showing black folk sitting on a bench with a fence between them and the 'white' bench. It really was another age, and all unthinkable today.
I'm not making any excuses, just saying one has to beware of retrospective judgement. It may seem hard to believe, but some of these now elderly men were once 'stars' and as such were besieged by attention-seeking young women.
Personally, I have always liked Rolf, he has brought a lot of fun into peoples lives, he's made me laugh and sing, and done some very good work. There may be one or two dark bits but haven't most of us got those?
I wont be casting any stones.

[ummmm]

Wow...just wow.

[jackthehat]

Yeah, Khandro.......Damn that attention-seeking 7-year old......flinging herself at the jolly bespectacled family entertainer.....:o/

[kvalidir]

One or two dark bits don't really equate to sexually molesting 7 year olds do they Khandro? Okay maybe someone once got drunk and streaked down The Mall or once spiked the headmaster's cocoa with drugs- that's maybe a 'dark bit' but attacking children is just in another league of never being acceptable- ever.

[royfromaus]

"There may be one or two dark bits but haven't most of us got those?"


I can be a bit of a *** now and again, but I can honestly say Rolf leaves me way behind.



!I'm not making any excuses"


Really?

[Baldric]

/// There may be one or two dark bits ///

Understatement of the year imho!

Do you actually read the Papers or watch the News?

[kvalidir]

I'm really hoping that Khandro hasn't read the allegations in detail, because if he has then I'm speechless as to how he could have possibly said what he has.

[anneasquith]

the only positive part of this sorry tale, is that RH is still alive to be judged, unlike JS.

[Khandro]

No, I haven't read anything, but then I don't believe everything I read.

[kvalidir]

Neither do I but I do believe that most juries take very seriously their responsibilities in making sure innocent men are not found guilty of crimes they don't commit, and therefore not having herd the evidence personally I can only assume that the people who did found the allegations proved beyond reasonable doubt. He's a paedophile, please don't defend him, its insulting to his victims and to all victims who have come forward.

[ummmm]

Jordy....do you still like him now you know he's a paedophile?

[Canary42]

I did wonder how long it would be before blinkered apologists appeared, people unable to cope with the exposure of their idol.

I remember the "sexual revolution" mores very well, and child abuse was not one of them. And I'm not sure what apartheid in Alabama has to do with it - scraping the barrel if you ask me. Face up to it, he's a paedophile. And if the behaviour was acceptable, why did he write that letter ?

[jackthehat]

Khandro - Surely you missed a bit from the end of your last?

///No, I haven't read anything, but then I don't believe everything I read///........unless it suits my purpose.