Women In Men Out

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2691813/Waving-goodbye-Tory-veteran-Ken-Clarke-prepares-end-ministerial-career-Cameron-reshuffle-promotes-women.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcMd1F1acSo

[Svejk]

^that's a daft thing to say. even for a woman.

[sp1814]

Ah...The Worm That Turned.

Very good.

I would suggest that it's not so much 'men out women in'...it looks to be more 'old guard out new blood in'.

The Conservatives and made great strides to look for talented young ministers who don't necessarily stand peeing up. These women will have to prove themselves as much as (say) Theresa May, whom I have a lot of respect for.

If they fail, they will be out.

[sp1814]

Errr...

"Pee standing up"

I don't know what "Stand peeing up" is, nor do I particularly want to.

[grasscarp]

It should always be the best candidate who is appointed and not given to a woman to "balance up the numbers".

[wolf63]

I would be insulted if someone gave me a job just because I was a woman.

I agree with Colin&Jess - the world would be a much better place with women in charge instead of men.

[anotheoldgit]

wolf63

/// I would be insulted if someone gave me a job just because I was a woman. ///

What if it happened to be 'Minister for Women'?

[wolf63]

Is there a minister for men? Do we need a minister for women?

[anotheoldgit]

wolf63

/// Is there a minister for men? Do we need a minister for women? ///

Now that could be a subject for a completely new thread, but I dare you to enter it.

[dave50]

Esther McVey, at last an attractive female in the cabinet. Most of them, especially on the Labour benches seem to go out of their way to look plain and dowdy with no make up and no stylish clothes whatsoever.

[youngmafbog]

It has always seemed to be that women in politics have to look like they fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down and have a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp.

There is no reason for that so lets hope this heralds change there too.

I see no reason to knck the promotion of women. As more get into politics then the % should change. Whether they are the right women (as with the men promoted) time will tell.

I wonder what Milliband will do now? Cleegy doesn't have to bother of course!

[WELSHYORKIE]

YMB - 'It has always seemed to be that women in politics have to look like they fell out the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down and have a face like a bulldog chewing a wasp.'

Worked for Angela Merkel...........

[youngmafbog]

Certainly has; ruler of Europe.

Oops, I mean Germany.

[mikey4444]

How nice to see Diana Dors again ...thanks aog !

[anotheoldgit]

WELSHYORKIE

/// Worked for Angela Merkel...........///

She may not be the most attractive cookie in the box, but what she lacks in looks she makes up for in charisma and charm in a man's world.

[sp1814]

A little unfair to comment on the relative attractiveness of female politicians when our make MPs are so comprehensively grim.

And another thing - we all say that ministers should be chosen for their ability rather than to tick boxes.

But why isn't this ever said when male ministers are chosen?

Why is it that when a man fails, no-one ever comments on him being promoted above his ability? His sex is irrelevant...but if a woman minister fails, the usual suspects will immediately tie it to her being a woman..."Well, that's the result of positive discrimination".

Has Nick Clegg done an amazing job?

What about David Cameron? Ed Balls? George Osborne? Ed Milliband?

Are these all political titans?

If not - then what kind of positive discrimination can be blamed for them occupying high office?

[dave50]

Yes it's like when you see the Labour party or TUC conferences on television. The women speaking and in the audience are always as you describe YMB. I think it must be a socialist thing.

[naomi24]

The best person for the job should get the job. This is patronising in the extreme.