Are Lesbians More Acceptable Than Gay Men?

[anotheoldgit]

This person seems to think so, do you?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/tatu-lesbian-makes-homophobic-slur-all-the-things-she-said-singer-says-she-would-not-accept-her-son-if-he-was-gay-9743697.html

/// "Yes, I would condemn him, because I believe that a real man must be a real man," she said. "God created man for procreation, it is the nature. The man for me is the support, the strength of... I won't accept a gay son." ///

/// She was quick to add that her views aren’t at odds with her previous work; lesbians are a more acceptable form of sexuality than gay men, she claims, because women are "aesthetically nicer". ///

[ladybirder]

It's not a choice slapshot.

[Slapshot]

Why?? Whatever our genetics tell us we still make lifestyle choices

[Zacs-Master]

Being gay isn't a lifestyle choice.

[Zacs-Master]

Deciding whether to come out (horrible term) is.

[1ozzy]

For most it isn't.
For some it is.

[Zacs-Master]

You mean there are 'plastic' gays?

[1ozzy]

It is a genetic predisposition for some.
For some others it is choice.

[Zacs-Master]

Really. So you wake up one morning and think 'I'm not pulling the chicks / guys anymore, I think I'll try my luck with the same gender'?

[1ozzy]

Some people like to experiment.
And sometimes they like the outcome.
I'm not arguing about "how someone is born", and it must be difficult for them.
But there are some people that change their minds after experiencing something they enjoy.

[1ozzy]

Do you also think bisexual people are born as such?

[Zacs-Master]

Yes. Some just never have the opportunity to find out or are too scared by their 'straight is normal' conditioning and the attitudes of society.

[sp1814]

Slapshot

It's not really 'a choice'.

[Slapshot]

Thanks Ozzy.

I have two colleagues why are openly gay, they are like chalk and cheese. One of them has been through the wringer with it, he was forced "out" through no choice of his own, what happened to him was evil. He is what I'd call genetically gay, it's not the nicest term but with what we have in here you have to deal with it. The other is a lifestyle gay, known him years he's had every type of relationship under the sun, straight/gay/bisexual/multipartnered but eventually decided that gay was best for him "because women are too *** awkward to deal with". Now this may be nonsense but I can only go on the evidence I see in front of me, at times we make our choices, all of us.

[1ozzy]

That could well be.
If only society was more accepting of all and sundry. Sexuality, religion, race, etc. etc.

[Zacs-Master]

I think that's called being in denial.

[1ozzy]

I agree with you Slapshot.
I've had many a friend who doesn't quite fit in with what society thinks they should be.
They have all been very decent people and great friends.
(and rather wacky too boot).
Dinner gong just rang,,,Bye all.

[sp1814]

1ozzy

The 'choice' question can be summed up with these two questions:

"When did you decide to be gay?"

Just about every gay person would respond with 'Eh? What are you talking about?"

As opposed to this:

"When did you realise you were gay?"

Some gay people will say, "I've always been attracted to boys/girls (delete where applicable".

Some gay people will say, "Oh, not until my early teens", which again, is perfectly understandable.

And there will be some who refuse to accept their sexuality until later in life. They may even have married and have had children. When this last group come out, it looks to the world that they have 'made a choice', but that's not strictly true...the choice has been made for them.

An analogy for this last group is a man who has had blonde hair for the whole of his life who spends every day dying it black because blondes have always been socially unacceptable.

He finally realises that he is unhappy with constantly combing L'Oreal dyes through his hair and reveals to his family that he's actually blonde.

He didn't make a choice to be blonde. The only choice he had was to stop *hiding* the fact that he is blonde.

[Slapshot]

Agreed Ozzy, everyone gets on great with the "genetic" type because he's an honest open hard working type of guy; jeez i don't believe I'm typing this it's just offensive to my friend. The other, he has his wee clique buit doesn't mix with what he calls the normal fuddy duddies.... May not be a "Choice" as others label it but it certainly presents itself that way!

[Zacs-Master]

I think that's a better way of putting it Slapshot.

[Old_Geezer]

Those who make a choice have to be bi. And have to have decided to follow one side of their preferences and suppress the other side. I suspect most folk don't have that option.