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Cover themselves in the daubings of a 10 year old and wonder why they don't get the job! Please!
Cover themselves in the daubings of a 10 year old and wonder why they don't get the job! Please!
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I'm with TTT here. I don't expect what I am going to say to be popular but I am going to go ahead anyway ! These tattoos just look childish. When I was a boy in the 50's and early 60's, we used to buy packs of bubble gum with transfers in them, in the way home from school. You licked these paper transfers and then stuck them on your arm. But as soon as you got home, Mum would...
06:56 Tue 23rd Sep 2014
well Andy etc, it's been touched on by others but if someone is minded to have tatoos then clearly they don't care about the effect it has on their job prospects. QED they don't care and in fact are acting out some sort of "defiance" - now it depends on the job of course but all things being equal I'll take the one without the tough stickers.
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If they can't get a job because they have deliberately disfigured themselves, for life, then its their own problem, of their own doing, and I have no patience with them. They should grow up !
I don't expect what I am going to say to be popular but I am going to go ahead anyway.............I have read a few times mikey that you are overweight. (you say you are 19 stone) Imagine If you got turned down for a job because of this would you agree or disagree with the prospective employers decision to employ a slimmer man, even if he doesn't have as much experience or knowledge as yourself?
If they can't get a job because they have deliberately disfigured themselves, for life, then its their own problem, of their own doing, and I have no patience with them. They should grow up !
I don't expect what I am going to say to be popular but I am going to go ahead anyway.............I have read a few times mikey that you are overweight. (you say you are 19 stone) Imagine If you got turned down for a job because of this would you agree or disagree with the prospective employers decision to employ a slimmer man, even if he doesn't have as much experience or knowledge as yourself?
Choices you make about your physical appearance are important. People just need to grow up and realise that rather than whingeing on about the fact that their black leather hotpants and cobweb face tattoo don't affect their ability to serve food at Mcdonalds or write computer code.
'it's so unfair...I need to express my peronality...I don't want to be a sheeple...whine whine ' etc etc. That's abolutely fine, but accept the fact that choices have consequences.
'it's so unfair...I need to express my peronality...I don't want to be a sheeple...whine whine ' etc etc. That's abolutely fine, but accept the fact that choices have consequences.
This thread reminded me of a discussion I had on this subject with a businessman, this is what he said.
When I employ somebody I'm paying them a quite substantial sum of money to represent my company and me. As it is my company, I'm entitled to choose how I'm being represented. A person chooses to have a tattoo, I choose not to employ them, I think that's fair.
When I employ somebody I'm paying them a quite substantial sum of money to represent my company and me. As it is my company, I'm entitled to choose how I'm being represented. A person chooses to have a tattoo, I choose not to employ them, I think that's fair.
Tbh Dunnitall I know I am guilty of double standards there a little, but Anne Boleyn getting it on with Henry VIII with a tramp stamp would be unreasonably ridiculous, whereas someone working in WH Smiths can stick magazines on a shelf tatooed or not. I know it's double standards but I think the acting thing is a slightly unique incidence. Sean Bean is forever having to have his 'Blades' tattoos covered, but they are unlikely to cut me the same slack at this point that they do him :)
The way the different opinions on this thread are starting to gel together appears to be as follows -
Those who believe that a tattoo is a sign of personal rebellion and a lack of care about the opinions of potential employers particularly, and society at large.
Those who believe that tattoos are an individual choice and right, and to discriminate against tattood peopple on the basis of perceived reasons and personality traits amounts to predjudice.
I am firmly in the second camp, but as my posts have underlined, I am not naiive enough to imagine that employers willl not consider potentially detrimental effects of the presence of a tattooed employee on their customers, and their business.
However, I am also mindful that any kind of predjudice only maintains credence if no-one makes any sort of stand against it.
I hark back to my teenage years, when long hair was seen as the absolute antithesis of a willingness to conform. Now that the 'non-conformists' from that generation are the movers, shakers, and of course employers now, such a notion seems ludicrous - no-one bats an eyelid at the myriad hairstyles worn by men and women, the only edict being a perfectly reasonably health-based one, that people with long hair have it netted if dealing with food preparation.
i am sure than when the current generation of 'young people today' filter through, that tattoos will be seen as normal and acceptable in society, because this is the way society has evolved since aincient times.
Todays' rebellion is tomorrow's normality.
Those who believe that a tattoo is a sign of personal rebellion and a lack of care about the opinions of potential employers particularly, and society at large.
Those who believe that tattoos are an individual choice and right, and to discriminate against tattood peopple on the basis of perceived reasons and personality traits amounts to predjudice.
I am firmly in the second camp, but as my posts have underlined, I am not naiive enough to imagine that employers willl not consider potentially detrimental effects of the presence of a tattooed employee on their customers, and their business.
However, I am also mindful that any kind of predjudice only maintains credence if no-one makes any sort of stand against it.
I hark back to my teenage years, when long hair was seen as the absolute antithesis of a willingness to conform. Now that the 'non-conformists' from that generation are the movers, shakers, and of course employers now, such a notion seems ludicrous - no-one bats an eyelid at the myriad hairstyles worn by men and women, the only edict being a perfectly reasonably health-based one, that people with long hair have it netted if dealing with food preparation.
i am sure than when the current generation of 'young people today' filter through, that tattoos will be seen as normal and acceptable in society, because this is the way society has evolved since aincient times.
Todays' rebellion is tomorrow's normality.
jomifl - "Andy,I think our understanding of the meanings of the words 'musician' and 'art' differ a little."
I am sure you are right.
My stance regarding all culture is the same - because I don't like or fail to understand a piece of music or art does not automatically make it inferior - it simply makes it something i do not like or understand. There is far too much art and music in the world to waste time on anything that does not give pleasure - so I don't.
I am sure you are right.
My stance regarding all culture is the same - because I don't like or fail to understand a piece of music or art does not automatically make it inferior - it simply makes it something i do not like or understand. There is far too much art and music in the world to waste time on anything that does not give pleasure - so I don't.
Talbot...you have made the classic mistake in not using a remotely relevant example to the topic in question !
You are correct, in that I am quite a big chap, although I am making every efforts to become a much smaller chap. But in the case of weight, or length of hair, or scruffy clothing or lack of personal hygiene those things can be remedied. I have been part of an interviewing panel that had young men attend, with cigarettes behind their ears. On one occasion, one of them asked if it was OK to smoke, "as he hadn't had a fag for ages" !
But laser treatment or not, tattoos are in place for life. Even if the person is young, immature or not terribly bright when they got the tattoos, it should be obvious to them that the process is one-way. It should also be obvious to them that visible tattoos will not be helpful to them during future job interviews, in the vast majority of cases.
They have shown a lack of judgement, and now must bear the consequences.
But all this doesn't really matter, if TTT's question is taken in context. An employer is entitled to take the appearance of the interviewee into account.
If appearance is important in the position offered, then any kind of scruffiness isn't going to help the job seeker.
You are correct, in that I am quite a big chap, although I am making every efforts to become a much smaller chap. But in the case of weight, or length of hair, or scruffy clothing or lack of personal hygiene those things can be remedied. I have been part of an interviewing panel that had young men attend, with cigarettes behind their ears. On one occasion, one of them asked if it was OK to smoke, "as he hadn't had a fag for ages" !
But laser treatment or not, tattoos are in place for life. Even if the person is young, immature or not terribly bright when they got the tattoos, it should be obvious to them that the process is one-way. It should also be obvious to them that visible tattoos will not be helpful to them during future job interviews, in the vast majority of cases.
They have shown a lack of judgement, and now must bear the consequences.
But all this doesn't really matter, if TTT's question is taken in context. An employer is entitled to take the appearance of the interviewee into account.
If appearance is important in the position offered, then any kind of scruffiness isn't going to help the job seeker.
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