Britain First - Paul Golding

[agchristie]

Appears at court today but what of the charges he faces? The 'uniform' charge is bizarre to say the least. Short video in the link where Golding outlines the situation.

https://www.britainfirst.org/video-britain-first-leader-paul-golding-speaks-essex-court-today/

[mikey4444]

agcgristie...handsome is as handsome does in my book. If its not racism to campaign against a place of worship that will attract mostly non-white people, than what is ?

[agchristie]

Andy - you say the BF are agitating other 'ill- informed people to take illegal action'? Really?

Do you have examples?

[ChillDoubt]

And as we opine.......:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29955066

But obviously they're innocent until proven guilty, only 'allegations' at the moment, I must stress.

Smoke? Fire? Who said that?

[mikey4444]

ichkeria...well said at 13:27 but you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Some peoples irrational hatred of other non-white people can cloud their ability to see common sense.

We have a lovely new Post Office in my village, which is owned and operated by some Hindu people. I heard one of the village loudmouths complaining, in our local Cafe, that "P***s" were taking over the place"

(This chap normally complains about "Poles coming over to Wales to take our jobs despite nobody recalling any job that he has had in at least 25 years)

I pointed out that the Post Office people couldn't possibly be P***s as they were Hindus. This took some explaining, as he must have been off school the day that they did Geography. But he then shouted out that it didn't matter
what f*****g religion they were, as they were still black and he hated Black People"

Naked racism, red in tooth and claw !

[Ellipsis]

ChillDoubt - that's an example of the law in action. It shows that we don't need the likes of Golding meting out his own justice. If he has evidence then he should take it to the authorities - who possibly have more evidence of their own - and let them deal with it. He does not have the right to take the law into his own hands. That is more the action of the terrorists he claims to despise ...

[agchristie]

Chill, as Naomi has stated, the need to protect the public is paramount. This is why we need our 'protectors' to stay a step ahead. Evidence gathering is everything but sometimes guilty parties remain elusive because such evidence is not unearthed.

[andy-hughes]

agchristie - "Andy - you say the BF are agitating other 'ill- informed people to take illegal action'? Really?

Do you have examples?"

I said they are agitiating, I did not say that such agitation has resulted in any direct action ... so far.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - "And as we opine.......:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29955066

But obviously they're innocent until proven guilty, only 'allegations' at the moment, I must stress.

Smoke? Fire? Who said that?"

I am not sure of the point you are making.

These men have been arrested, and wil pssibly face trial, and then possibly face conviction - that is due process of law.

The same law that protects your rights if you were arrested on suspicion of a crime - you wouldn't want your rights infringed, would you?

[agchristie]

Andy, that's not the point I was making i.e that any illegal activity had yet occurred. You stated that the BF's motivation is partly to encourage others to engage in illegal activity. Where is your basis for this belief?

[ChillDoubt]

Chill, as Naomi has stated, the need to protect the public is paramount.
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You and I know that agchristie. The landscape has changed over the last 2 decades, whereby the rights of the individual MUST at times take second place when it comes to preserving democracy and preventing terrorism. The foil hat brigade will always lean towards the indivivual though and hang the consequences.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29939192

[naomi24]

Mikey, // We don't want these huge mosques with domes and minarets in our towns with separate entrances for men and women in our country."

Sounds like racism to me ! //

'Racists' decrying misogyny. Are they wrong?

[ChillDoubt]

The same law that protects your rights if you were arrested on suspicion of a crime - you wouldn't want your rights infringed, would you?
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Indeed not, but then I wouldn't place myself in that position i.e. becoming involved in clandestine and covert behaviour that would be seen to be endangering the lives of others in the name of 'religion'.

[ichkeria]

Mikey, // We don't want these huge mosques with domes and minarets in our towns with separate entrances for men and women in our country."

Sounds like racism to me ! //

'Racists' decrying misogyny. Are they wrong?

Phew, that post could be used in the next COED as an example under the entry for "disingenuous "!!
If that is a case of championing women's rights then, well, I'd be surprised (he finished lamely ... :-) )

[ichkeria]

after all, the BNP in Belfast are, it would seem, the party of snow-free pensioners' front drives, and all power to them for that :-)

[naomi24]

ichkeria, No, it’s not a case of championing women’s rights. Simply an observation that in instances like this people who cry ‘racist’ at every opportunity purposefully ignore truly appalling injustice when it suits them to do so.

[andy-hughes]

ChillDoubt - "... that would be seen to be endangering the lives of others in the name of 'religion'.

'Being seen' to be doing anything is not a crime - except in the eyes of people like Mr Golding.

[agchristie]

How many people here have attempted to check out the person who has been outed? I implore you to search (I have purposefully not referred to him by name throughout this discussion).

Let me know what sort of character you believe we have in this country.

[mikey4444]

naomi24..do you really think that BF is campaigning against this new Mosque because men and women will have different entrances ?

Really ?

There are Golf Clubs that still won't admit women but there is a distinct lack of BF demonstrations, with their placards outside these Clubs. However, if we ever had a Golf Club that only admitted Muslim players, it would be entirely different.

I am against misogyny, as you well know but it isn't sufficient reason to not want a Mosque to be built. The Catholic Church doesn't have women Parish Priests but it not an excuse for a new Church not to be built is it ?

Race is the issue here not sex, and I am surprised that you have been taken in by BF.

[ChillDoubt]

'Being seen' to be doing anything is not a crime
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Erm........if they're 'being seen' to be plotting or preparing acts of terror, that's fairly criminal behaviour from where I'm standing. Again andy, you need to remove those pinky-lensed spectacles and take a look around at what's happening in the real world from time to time, you spend too much time around 'rock stars'.

[ChillDoubt]

There are Golf Clubs that still won't admit women but there is a distinct lack of BF demonstrations
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Golf clubs can be fairly misogynistic but they stop short of radicalisation, in my experience.