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The Youth Of Today
An interesting poll in today's Observer of first time voters in the 17-22 age bracket has the following results:
Labour 41%
Conservative 26
Green 19
Lib Dem 6
UKIP 3
SNP 2
Other 1
PC 0
BNP 0
48% think immigration is good for Britain versus 31 who don't
65% want to keep the HRA
65% want to keep the monarchy
59% think the govt is right to reduce the deficit by reducing spending
Farage is the least popular leader, with a minus 51% approval rating, followed by Clegg
Let's get these people out to the polls in May!!
Labour 41%
Conservative 26
Green 19
Lib Dem 6
UKIP 3
SNP 2
Other 1
PC 0
BNP 0
48% think immigration is good for Britain versus 31 who don't
65% want to keep the HRA
65% want to keep the monarchy
59% think the govt is right to reduce the deficit by reducing spending
Farage is the least popular leader, with a minus 51% approval rating, followed by Clegg
Let's get these people out to the polls in May!!
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Not surprised that UKIP appeals to older voters far more than to younger ones. Would be interested to see how the SNP are doing in Scotland's young voters.
13:17 Sun 28th Dec 2014
"Thatcher finished 25 years ago, are you really that obsessed that you think she is being maligned in schools now..."
It matters not a jot, Gromit. Look at the disgusting scenes when she died. "Celebrations" in the street by people who were not even born when she left office. Where did they get the idea that it was a cause of celebration that a democratically elected leader (x3) of their country had died, do you wonder? Look at the bile and vilification shown towards her by people who should know better (but in fact know very little of life under her stewardship at all).
I know a few schoolteachers. They are all, without exception "Left Wing" (mind you, I think Attila the Hun was a little left of centre). But more seriously they all, without exception despise the Tories with a passion, they still nurse an illogical but pathological hatred of Mrs T (rather along the lines I described in my earlier post) and believe that they, and they alone, should decide what direction the nation's teaching of youngsters must take. These are the people who are providing State education (such that it is) to those 17-22 year olds.
It matters not a jot, Gromit. Look at the disgusting scenes when she died. "Celebrations" in the street by people who were not even born when she left office. Where did they get the idea that it was a cause of celebration that a democratically elected leader (x3) of their country had died, do you wonder? Look at the bile and vilification shown towards her by people who should know better (but in fact know very little of life under her stewardship at all).
I know a few schoolteachers. They are all, without exception "Left Wing" (mind you, I think Attila the Hun was a little left of centre). But more seriously they all, without exception despise the Tories with a passion, they still nurse an illogical but pathological hatred of Mrs T (rather along the lines I described in my earlier post) and believe that they, and they alone, should decide what direction the nation's teaching of youngsters must take. These are the people who are providing State education (such that it is) to those 17-22 year olds.
Students who were protesting at Thatcher's death were very small in number, and were members of the 'Socialist Workers Party'.
Three quarters of teachers in the UK are under 45 years of age. i.e. They entered the profession After Thatcher left office. Those older are more likely to be head or deputy head teachers and will not be teaching in classrooms on a
daily basis. So they idea that they are indulging in anti-thatcher studies is highly improbable.
A YouGov poll of teachers just before the last election, resulted in a lead for the Conservatives.
Three quarters of teachers in the UK are under 45 years of age. i.e. They entered the profession After Thatcher left office. Those older are more likely to be head or deputy head teachers and will not be teaching in classrooms on a
daily basis. So they idea that they are indulging in anti-thatcher studies is highly improbable.
A YouGov poll of teachers just before the last election, resulted in a lead for the Conservatives.
Yes, the reaction to Thatcher's death was disgusting. Sadly, evidently some people still hate her, which I can't say I'll ever understand -- I've had conversations with people who lived through her term of office, and they variously seem to love her, hate her or come somewhere between, which isn't exactly all that enlightening. Probably she was just one of the great polarising figures.
In the run-up to the Scottish Referendum I walked past a chalk drawing of her on the pavement, with the caption "feel free to spit on her face" underneath. Pathetic.
In the run-up to the Scottish Referendum I walked past a chalk drawing of her on the pavement, with the caption "feel free to spit on her face" underneath. Pathetic.
the amount of young people, many who have been born since MrsT was last in office, that spit vitriol with little provocation, many of them on his site, is pretty good proof that they have been brainwashed. Or, gromit and co, are you saying they read an impartial account of thos times and all decided on the same view? Nope the judge is bang on.
You could equally well say that those who think Thatcher was something akin to the Second Coming have been brainwashed by her supporters.
In no way do I support the vitriol she received in death, it was disgusting, but it doesn't even come close to proving that education is a left-wing propaganda machine.
In no way do I support the vitriol she received in death, it was disgusting, but it doesn't even come close to proving that education is a left-wing propaganda machine.
"FInd me a supporter of TGL under 45..."
Well, for starters, TTT, there's one right here. At least partly, at any rate.
If you are going to set such store by personal experience, then my having recently had essentially a lifetime of state education ought to count for something. Oh and on top of that I went back to the same school and have taught there myself. When I wasn't busy explaining the virtues of Lenin (oh, what a giveaway!) I was mostly teaching them maths. As were most of the maths teachers (with one notable exception, but that's a whole different story). There was a sense of frustration at yet another un-necessary overhaul courtesy of Govey, but such as it was it was kept in the staffroom.
Any indoctrination against Thatcher takes place at homes; homes of embittered miners, etc etc. Shame they don't treat Scargill with the same disdain, but I suppose that isn't too surprising.
Well, for starters, TTT, there's one right here. At least partly, at any rate.
If you are going to set such store by personal experience, then my having recently had essentially a lifetime of state education ought to count for something. Oh and on top of that I went back to the same school and have taught there myself. When I wasn't busy explaining the virtues of Lenin (oh, what a giveaway!) I was mostly teaching them maths. As were most of the maths teachers (with one notable exception, but that's a whole different story). There was a sense of frustration at yet another un-necessary overhaul courtesy of Govey, but such as it was it was kept in the staffroom.
Any indoctrination against Thatcher takes place at homes; homes of embittered miners, etc etc. Shame they don't treat Scargill with the same disdain, but I suppose that isn't too surprising.
I'd agree that most indoctrination against MT took place in homes, certainly not school. I never learnt any political views from teachers and as one myself it was generally never discussed by me or my colleagues. I only learned about true anti establishment views once I'd gone to a leftie university and that was from fellow students.
Some of you are reading an awful lot into the reasons why most younger people support Labour: have any of you any proof that being "subversive" or "anti-Thatcher" has anything to do with it? Especially as a majority espouse views that are anything but "subversive". You think being Labour is subversive? Surely not! It isn't 1968 any more.
Thatcher left office before any of these people were born: it's only bitter and twisted old codgers like me and Mikey who remember her, as well as the old Tory twisters of course who like her :-)
And even if it is true that a generation of innocents have been deflected from the True Path of Toryism by evil baby-boiling Marxist teachers, the fact is that less than a third of them on that showing support right wing parties and most of the rest leftwing or progressive parties.
But the big question is: how many of them will actually vote.
Thatcher left office before any of these people were born: it's only bitter and twisted old codgers like me and Mikey who remember her, as well as the old Tory twisters of course who like her :-)
And even if it is true that a generation of innocents have been deflected from the True Path of Toryism by evil baby-boiling Marxist teachers, the fact is that less than a third of them on that showing support right wing parties and most of the rest leftwing or progressive parties.
But the big question is: how many of them will actually vote.
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