Now Should We Ban The Burka?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2914727/Police-hunt-bank-robber-disguised-BURKA-sunglasses-high-street-raid.html

/// 'Were you in The Parade (in Oadby) this morning? Did you see anyone matching his description or do you have information about the incident? ///

Man/woman dressed in a Burka in Leicester, it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack.

[naomi24]

Gromit, you are the first to imply racism. That’s not good. This is a discussion about one section of society, the members of which are completely unidentifiable – regardless of how many CCTV cameras are in use.

//It is snowing outside, would covering my face with a scarf be illegal? I see plenty of people wearing Parka coats that obscure the face, again no one complains about that.//

I doubt you'd would easily disguise your gender - and what’s the design and colour of your scarf, or your parka, or your trousers and shoes?

I’ll repeat here what I said on another thread….. //a friend of mine who works for a major department store tells me that CCTV is useless in aiding the police in finding and apprehending shoplifters who wear burkas. They are completely anonymous – and descriptions of their clothing don’t help…….There should be no argument about this. There is nothing sensible to say in its defence.//

I’m still waiting for one rational argument. AOG is right. If we all took to anonymity in this way, the law would very soon change.

[Gromit]

RATTER15

// Gromit, Muslims are a threat to this country! //

No they are not. Well not all of them as your answer implies. As mentioned above, it isn't the Burka you want banished, it is the person beneath it.

[RATTER15]

I want the burka banned so people are recognisable, now if the people that wear them also want to leave the country I am more than happy with that as well!

// Gromit, Muslims are a threat to this country! // YES THEY ARE, they support an outdated barbaric and sick religion!!

[THECORBYLOON]

RATTER, you are the one who introduced the terrorist aspect not me so did you say the same thing about Roman Catholics?

[Prudie]

The burka oppresses women and yet there is no other oppression of females that I can think of that most free thinking 'westerners' or ABers support, and don't say they choose to wear it, those who choose to wear it have been conditioned to do so. We are so concerned about upsetting the majority of the Muslim population that we don't speak the truth - it's not hard to see that the vast majority of current world terrorism is Muslim led.

[RATTER15]

My views on Roman Catholics are also well know, they also disgust me but they do not cover their faces to hide themselves, they don't prohibit white people from entering the areas that they control. and like I said, they are not the subject of this discussion.

[hc4361]

I do not want to live in a country that dictates what people can wear.

[THECORBYLOON]

Where are white folk prevented from entering areas?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

Read what you actually put Gromit, here is a reminder

/// I expect there were thousands of bank robberies that involved men putting stockings over their heads to disguise their identities.
I do not recalled anyone calling for Stockings to be outlawed. What is the difference? ///

/// A rather silly analogy Gromit, since we don't see persons walking down our streets with stockings over their heads. ///

It was you who tried to compare the wearing of stockings over their heads.

At the moment the burka is an acceptable garment to be seen and worn by some, consequently it is being used to disguise the wearer in committing certain acts of crime, but every day wearing of a stocking over one's head is not an acceptable every day garment to wear, thus anyone doing so would be an automatic suspect, nothing to do with getting the wearer out of the country.

[RATTER15]

Some of the bigger cities have Muslim/Sharia controlled areas where a non muslim or white person would not be safe!

[THECORBYLOON]

Where are they then?

[hc4361]

Where specifically, Ratter? I regularly go to areas of Birmingham that have a high per centage of Muslims and have never felt uncomfortable, let alone threatened or refused entry to anywhere.

[hc4361]

I also have family members living in Bradford and Keighley and I regularly travel around those areas without problem.

[ichkeria]

At the risk of sounding like a cracked record: if someone wants to disguise themselves by whatever means to commit a crime, they will do it regardless of what the law says

[anotheoldgit]

hc4361

/// I do not want to live in a country that dictates what people can wear. ///

It already does, you wouldn't be allowed to wear a sword, unless of course you were Sikh, and if you were a female you wouldn't be allowed to wear a topless dress as some do in tropical countries.

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON & hc4361

/// Where are they then? ///

Proof enough?

*** So how interesting it is to read of the arrests made by police in recent days of a number of men for a string of incidents in London. These involve radical Muslim men trying to enforce Islamic law at night in parts of London. This is done by informing people that they are in ‘a Muslim area’ and demanding their compliance with sharia principles. These include telling a man carrying alcohol: ‘No drink in this area, it’s a Muslim area’ and telling a woman they think is dressed inappropriately that she cannot dress like that ‘in a Muslim area.’ ***

*** They also tell a man they think looks gay: ‘You’re walking through a Muslim area dressed like a fag… You need to get out here… You’re dirty… This is a Muslim area. You’re a gay. You’re a fag. You bloody fag. Get out of here you fag … don’t stay around here anymore.’ ***

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/douglas-murray/2013/01/no-go-britain/

[THECORBYLOON]

ANOTHEOLDGIT you could wear a sgian-dubh or a sgian-achlais if you wanted.

[THECORBYLOON]

A two-year year old item and the men involved were arrested. Any recent proof?

[RATTER15]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019547/Anjem-Choudary-Islamic-extremists-set-Sharia-law-zones-UK-cities.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia_patrols

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2458/_muslim_patrol_vigilantes_attempt_to_control_london_streets

[RATTER15]

THECORBYLOON

You can defend them all you like and living in denial does not mean the problem will go away!!