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andy-hughes, //That compares with banging your head repeatedly on a wall to experience a certain level of pain - yes it works, but why would you feel the need to do it? Exactly what purpose is served?//
It doesn’t compare to banging your head on the wall to experience a certain level of pain. On 9/11 we could have been told that planes had been flown by terrorists into the Twin Towers, but no amount of newspaper reports or newscasters' scripted autocues would have revealed to us the true horror of that dreadful day. Only visual images of the event as it happened and of the aftermath with panic-stricken people hurling themselves off those buildings could do that.
It doesn’t compare to banging your head on the wall to experience a certain level of pain. On 9/11 we could have been told that planes had been flown by terrorists into the Twin Towers, but no amount of newspaper reports or newscasters' scripted autocues would have revealed to us the true horror of that dreadful day. Only visual images of the event as it happened and of the aftermath with panic-stricken people hurling themselves off those buildings could do that.
Sqad - have you ever seen hardcore child pornography?
I have.
It occurred when I was working for Operation Ore - locating images and reporting the site owners to Microsoft for police prosecution.
Before that, I knew what child pornography is, and I can state categorically, that I do not feel educated, informed, or inhanced in any way by seeing the images on my PC.
I do know that twenty years on, the images still haunt me, even though I saw them for the time it takes to hit the back button on my keyboard - less that two seconds - but that was enough.
Some things do not need to be seen, and if you have a 'sense of curiosity' about such issues, then I do wonder about the way your mind works.
I have.
It occurred when I was working for Operation Ore - locating images and reporting the site owners to Microsoft for police prosecution.
Before that, I knew what child pornography is, and I can state categorically, that I do not feel educated, informed, or inhanced in any way by seeing the images on my PC.
I do know that twenty years on, the images still haunt me, even though I saw them for the time it takes to hit the back button on my keyboard - less that two seconds - but that was enough.
Some things do not need to be seen, and if you have a 'sense of curiosity' about such issues, then I do wonder about the way your mind works.
andy_hughes
I know where Sqad is coming from because I've been there. I think the only way to honestly describe it is 'curiosity'.
Perhaps I was being a little too judgemental earlier...because as I have said, I've been curious before and I would walk out of a room now if confronted with this new video. I find images like that properly, peoperly disturbing.
That's why I cannot get into the mindset of people who attend hangings, stonings or death by electric chair.
I think of watching death as being true pornography.
I know where Sqad is coming from because I've been there. I think the only way to honestly describe it is 'curiosity'.
Perhaps I was being a little too judgemental earlier...because as I have said, I've been curious before and I would walk out of a room now if confronted with this new video. I find images like that properly, peoperly disturbing.
That's why I cannot get into the mindset of people who attend hangings, stonings or death by electric chair.
I think of watching death as being true pornography.
\\\Some things do not need to be seen, and if you have a 'sense of curiosity' about such issues, then I do wonder about the way your mind works.\\\
Many other people would agree with you comments about me, but it doesn't change the facts.....like many other people........YES I have a heightened sense of curiosity.
Sorry.
Many other people would agree with you comments about me, but it doesn't change the facts.....like many other people........YES I have a heightened sense of curiosity.
Sorry.
naomi24
The people throwing themselves out of the towers was a much more powerful image (to me) than the actual planes crashing...because it was relatable and visceral.
These were actual people, rather than a building and planes.
And because of the upset caused, American broadcasters no longer show the 'jumpers'.
The people throwing themselves out of the towers was a much more powerful image (to me) than the actual planes crashing...because it was relatable and visceral.
These were actual people, rather than a building and planes.
And because of the upset caused, American broadcasters no longer show the 'jumpers'.
Naomi - "Only visual images of the event as it happened and of the aftermath with panic-stricken people hurling themselves off those buildings could do that."
When my wife and cruised last year, we dined with a couple who live across the street from the Two Towers. On 911, the gentleman was returning to his apartment when the bodies started landing in front of him. As he recounterd the story, a silent tear appeared and was wiped away without comment.
When he went to the toilet to compose himself, his wife confirmed that the psychological trauma of that day was such that from then on, he has walked with a limp, and uses a stick, and the doctors advise that there is nothing physically wrong with him.
The gentleman was a Navy Seal as a young man, and went on to train Navy Seals, so I would suggest he is no-one's softie, and has probably seen sights that would make the rest of us curl up and sob.
But my point is, some images are not good for us in any way, there is noting educational or enlightening in seeing these things - and please see my post about child pornography - the point is exactly the same.
Some images are simply damaging, and nothing else - they should be left unseen.
When my wife and cruised last year, we dined with a couple who live across the street from the Two Towers. On 911, the gentleman was returning to his apartment when the bodies started landing in front of him. As he recounterd the story, a silent tear appeared and was wiped away without comment.
When he went to the toilet to compose himself, his wife confirmed that the psychological trauma of that day was such that from then on, he has walked with a limp, and uses a stick, and the doctors advise that there is nothing physically wrong with him.
The gentleman was a Navy Seal as a young man, and went on to train Navy Seals, so I would suggest he is no-one's softie, and has probably seen sights that would make the rest of us curl up and sob.
But my point is, some images are not good for us in any way, there is noting educational or enlightening in seeing these things - and please see my post about child pornography - the point is exactly the same.
Some images are simply damaging, and nothing else - they should be left unseen.
Naomi - "Proof positive that visual images have a greater impact than the written word."
No argument there - but to what end?
I felt, and still feel now, damaged, defiled, angry, ashamed, and tearful.
If anyone can advise me about the merits of that experience, I would be interested to hear them.
I did the job because it needed to be done, and men are in prison as a direct result, but personally, I remain damaged by the experience, and I would run a mile to avoid anything remotely similar.
Curiosity is a valuable concept, but that doesn't mean it should always be indulged.
No argument there - but to what end?
I felt, and still feel now, damaged, defiled, angry, ashamed, and tearful.
If anyone can advise me about the merits of that experience, I would be interested to hear them.
I did the job because it needed to be done, and men are in prison as a direct result, but personally, I remain damaged by the experience, and I would run a mile to avoid anything remotely similar.
Curiosity is a valuable concept, but that doesn't mean it should always be indulged.
sandyRoe
/// Individual Muslims should be no more forced to watch it than individual Germans have been forced to see film of concentration camps after WW11.
It's not their fault. ///
The Germans were forced to watch the evils that some of their countrymen had done. In fact in a way we also were seeing that it was screened in our cinemas at the time.
/// Individual Muslims should be no more forced to watch it than individual Germans have been forced to see film of concentration camps after WW11.
It's not their fault. ///
The Germans were forced to watch the evils that some of their countrymen had done. In fact in a way we also were seeing that it was screened in our cinemas at the time.
Well I feel more informed from watching it, I have a greater knowledge of the depths that people will go to for their religious beliefs. I wont lose any sleep over it but I certainly have no desire to witness those images ever again.
I hasten to add, it was over quite quickly for the poor man, I was expecting his suffering to have been longer, I am very glad I was wrong.
I hasten to add, it was over quite quickly for the poor man, I was expecting his suffering to have been longer, I am very glad I was wrong.
andy-hughes, //I am well aware of the effect of visual images, but that does not justify their viewing.//
I think sometimes it does – as in the case of 9/11. Without those images none of us who were physically remote from the event on the day would have realised the full extent of the horror – and we need to realise it.
//but understanding is not the same as agreeing, is it?//
Sorry, not with you. Agreeing with what?
I think sometimes it does – as in the case of 9/11. Without those images none of us who were physically remote from the event on the day would have realised the full extent of the horror – and we need to realise it.
//but understanding is not the same as agreeing, is it?//
Sorry, not with you. Agreeing with what?
/// Individual Muslims should be no more forced to watch it than individual Germans have been forced to see film of concentration camps after WW11.
It's not their fault. ///
I totally agree! whilst I have a passionate dislike of Islam and its beliefs, I think the vast majority of Muslims would be as shocked and as upset by this as I was.
It's not their fault. ///
I totally agree! whilst I have a passionate dislike of Islam and its beliefs, I think the vast majority of Muslims would be as shocked and as upset by this as I was.
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