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Ukip: The First 100 Days
Following on from a thread last week, now that we have all had a chance to watch ‘UKIP: The First 100 Days’, what are your thoughts on the way the subject was handled by CH4?
I’m particularly interested in the opinions of those who have actually seen the programme, rather than have simply read about it.
Personally, it seemed pretty believable (at first), seeing as it was based on news items we have already seen, and what the UKIP manifesto lays out.
The only far-fetched dramatic devices I could see were the redundancies due to the withdrawal of aerospace manufacturers (no way that could possibly happen within three months of an election), and the whole cabinet resignation nonsense.
…but then it went to hell in the last 20 minutes where dramatic licence was stretched to breaking point, and all believability was lost.
Your thoughts?
I’m particularly interested in the opinions of those who have actually seen the programme, rather than have simply read about it.
Personally, it seemed pretty believable (at first), seeing as it was based on news items we have already seen, and what the UKIP manifesto lays out.
The only far-fetched dramatic devices I could see were the redundancies due to the withdrawal of aerospace manufacturers (no way that could possibly happen within three months of an election), and the whole cabinet resignation nonsense.
…but then it went to hell in the last 20 minutes where dramatic licence was stretched to breaking point, and all believability was lost.
Your thoughts?
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sp
But you've now made me think - how is the UK to address the question of illegal immigrants without rounding up illegal immigrants?
How would it be done?
Well to pose that question might demonstrate that you are as uninspired and clueless as our present government is in tackling the dilemma.
Perhaps it is indeed time to step aside and see if UKIP can actually make a better fist ( no inference to be made) of taking this problem seriously and deal with it without PC restraints.
But you've now made me think - how is the UK to address the question of illegal immigrants without rounding up illegal immigrants?
How would it be done?
Well to pose that question might demonstrate that you are as uninspired and clueless as our present government is in tackling the dilemma.
Perhaps it is indeed time to step aside and see if UKIP can actually make a better fist ( no inference to be made) of taking this problem seriously and deal with it without PC restraints.
Scroll down for poll, mikey. Lol.
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I watched the one that was shown later. Predictable and patronising stuff.
I suspect if you did the opposite at this time, ie aired a piece of 'drama' which was basically propaganda in favour of a particular party, you couldn't get away without having to announce it as a party political broadcast up front.
Not so the other way around obviously.
I suspect if you did the opposite at this time, ie aired a piece of 'drama' which was basically propaganda in favour of a particular party, you couldn't get away without having to announce it as a party political broadcast up front.
Not so the other way around obviously.
retrocop
You stated:
"Well to pose that question might demonstrate that you are as uninspired and clueless as our present government is in tackling the dilemma."
No...I know how we would have to tackle the question of illegal immigrants, but as a UKIP voter, I'm wondering what you would accept as a fair way of ridding the country of illegal immigrants?
Stronger border controls will stop the numbers from increasing, but how do we reduce the numbers already here?
You stated:
"Well to pose that question might demonstrate that you are as uninspired and clueless as our present government is in tackling the dilemma."
No...I know how we would have to tackle the question of illegal immigrants, but as a UKIP voter, I'm wondering what you would accept as a fair way of ridding the country of illegal immigrants?
Stronger border controls will stop the numbers from increasing, but how do we reduce the numbers already here?
How will they round up the illegal workers? -exactly how they do now under a Conservative government, but with a bit more enthusiasm. This 'mockdoc' totally overplayed the fact a few loonie socialist worker types may wave a few banners at the 'Human Rights' issue. According to the film the UK would be 'split down the middle' with almost civil war like battles -it just won't happen. Most intelligent people can differentiate between Racist Policies and Immigration Policies. It is not Racist to welcome legitimate people into the country who can add something useful to our economy, while at the same time routing out unskilled illegal workers who have no right to be in the UK in the first place.
Retrochic
I think you are being heroically optimistic.
This country has a history of serious and violent political divides.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Poll Tax riots or the miners strike, but scenes in the show last night were not too dissimilar to what happened back in the 80s.
And let's not forget the G4 summit riots from just a few years ago.
I suspect you're giving the far left a little more credit than they deserve.
I think you are being heroically optimistic.
This country has a history of serious and violent political divides.
I don't know if you are old enough to remember the Poll Tax riots or the miners strike, but scenes in the show last night were not too dissimilar to what happened back in the 80s.
And let's not forget the G4 summit riots from just a few years ago.
I suspect you're giving the far left a little more credit than they deserve.
sp I'm old enough to remember the riots in the 1960's about the Vietnam war (make love not war) lol! The examples you give are not the same - the Poll Tax directly hit Joe Public, 'rent a mobs' were used in the Miners strike and the same at the G4 Summit -I'm sure these tactics will be used to protest at any round ups of illegal immigrants, but really I would assume, and this may be presumptuous of me, that the vast majority of UK citizens will be in favour of routing out illegals rather than against, and the only ones protesting will be the small minorities of the far left , who will instigate the small minorities of the far right to retaliate along with the 'rent a mobs'. The Police have dealt with these factions before and will have to deal with then again. The film suggested it would be more like 'civil war' with the 'man in the street' becoming involved and I don't think this would happen.
Retrochic
That seems to be an exaggeration of what was actually shown.
In fact, it definitely was.
The riots your referring to were as a consequence of the arrest of Samir Khan.
Not too outlandish thinking of what happened after the shooting of Mark Duggan?
The other protests were exactly what we have seen over the past 10 years of BNP/EDL vs. UAF
That seems to be an exaggeration of what was actually shown.
In fact, it definitely was.
The riots your referring to were as a consequence of the arrest of Samir Khan.
Not too outlandish thinking of what happened after the shooting of Mark Duggan?
The other protests were exactly what we have seen over the past 10 years of BNP/EDL vs. UAF
sp I think it was the film maker who was exaggerating and inferring that the ordinary person on the street would come out in sympathy. People have been demonstrating for years for all sorts of things and I've been on protest marches myself that have ended up in violence. Its not new. The film seemed to dwell on the fact that the UK would be divided and I don't think thats true as the vast majority of UK citizens want illegals out of the UK.
sp
///but as a UKIP voter, I'm wondering what you would accept as a fair way of ridding the country of illegal immigrants?///
I assume that is a hypothetical question in part because if not you're failing to read from the script.
I refer you to my posts at 2320 and 00.08 which state I have never, yet , voted UKIP and that I am not flying the flag for UKIP.
But in answer to your question . The " fair way to be ridding the country of illegal immigrants" would be to deport them fairly and squarely from whence they came. It is the immigrants who "unfairly" sneaked in to this country under the radar and uninvited. That is what deportation is about.
You know, I think, politicians of the past had more foresight than those of the present. I would imagine ,as Mr Enoch Powell suggested, you are more likely to see rivers of blood and street violence with the liberal, nelson approach shown towards illegal immigrants by current governments than the garbage portrayed as likely if UKIP employed robust deportation measures.
The people on the street might actually be heard to scream," At last a government that acts with deeds and not words".
///but as a UKIP voter, I'm wondering what you would accept as a fair way of ridding the country of illegal immigrants?///
I assume that is a hypothetical question in part because if not you're failing to read from the script.
I refer you to my posts at 2320 and 00.08 which state I have never, yet , voted UKIP and that I am not flying the flag for UKIP.
But in answer to your question . The " fair way to be ridding the country of illegal immigrants" would be to deport them fairly and squarely from whence they came. It is the immigrants who "unfairly" sneaked in to this country under the radar and uninvited. That is what deportation is about.
You know, I think, politicians of the past had more foresight than those of the present. I would imagine ,as Mr Enoch Powell suggested, you are more likely to see rivers of blood and street violence with the liberal, nelson approach shown towards illegal immigrants by current governments than the garbage portrayed as likely if UKIP employed robust deportation measures.
The people on the street might actually be heard to scream," At last a government that acts with deeds and not words".
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