Rape Is The Girls Fault Apparently !

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-31698154

I have read this twice and I still find it difficult to believe.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// The Hindu population of Britain is very small compared to the Muslim one. I have seen no evidence of reports of widespread sexual abuse within the Hindu community. ///

That may well be so, but does that mindset only remain in India?

/// So, can we stay on topic everybody...please ! This is about India, the fastest growing country in the world, with a burgeoning presence in the modern industries. ///

You told us to stay on topic and yet you later question my 'off topic' (according to you) remarks?

/// I am not sure that AOG was implying that our British Hindu population was involved in the kind of thing that the OP was concerned with ? So who could he have meant I wonder ? ///

I was merely pointing out that Hindu, Muslim or Sikh it matters not, but if they think like this in India, how can that type of thinking disappear when they settle in other countries?

[sandyRoe]

Was it so very long ago that victims of rape were questioned in court about their provocative clothing and behaviour? They were asking for it, too.

[mikey4444]

Yes it was sandy, as has been pointed out by SJP this morning.

[anotheoldgit]

It must be remembered that it was not just one rapist, but there were six of them.

[Svejk]

That's right, it's our fault.

[Cloverjo]

Is this attitude widespread across India, though?
Where it exists it is horrific, but you often see women in India at cricket matches, for example, "unchaperoned" and some have their own teams in the IPL. I know they're rich, so that helps, but perhaps a sign that women are not completely repressed there.

[chrissa1]

I for one, will be watching the documentary that was made. BBC4, Sunday, 22.00.

[mikey4444]

Thanks Chrissa...in my diary to watch.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Yet another example of human nature//

That’s an insult to every civilised man on the planet. This isn’t human nature – this is the result of raising children within a barbaric culture.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "andy-hughes, //Yet another example of human nature//

That’s an insult to every civilised man on the planet. This isn’t human nature – this is the result of raising children within a barbaric culture."

I disagree.

The factor of human nature is involved here - it is human nature to shift the responsibility, and therefore the blame, onto someone else.

The factor applies when blaming your brother or sister as a child for something you did, and got away with, right up to incidents like this.

I am not excusing or condoning the use of the absenting of responsibility, merely pointing it out as a fact of life.

People can, and will shift the blame for something if acceptance of responsibility is uncomfortable for them. It is part of the human condition.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, yes, some people will shift the blame, but in this instance you overlook the fact that this culture consistently shifts the blame. This goes far beyond human nature.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "andy-hughes, yes, some people will shift the blame, but in this instance you overlook the fact that this culture consistently shifts the blame. This goes far beyond human nature."

No, I don't overlook that, because culture is formed from human nature.

Culture forms from practices which this society in question finds comfortable and acceptable.

Some cultures will accept and embrace the passing of blame, some will not, but all cultures are formed in the same way, and human nature is inbuilt into all of us - it is only the level of acceptance by individual cultures that alters.

[andy-hughes]

divebuddy - "Human nature is pretty constant. Shakespeare wrote plays about people who lived two thousand years ago, but those plays can be staged in a modern setting and still be relevant and entirely believable.

What you consider OK behaviour is in many ways instilled into you by your upbringing and culture. In this case, even more worrying is the lawyer's happy assertion that he would pour petrol over his daughter and set light to it, if she offended his sense of honour. If someone like him, I presume near the top of the food chain in India, thinks like that, what hope is there.."

I absolutely agree (Wow!)

The vast cultural differences around the world mean that one society's taboos which arouse horror and disgust are another society's accepted behaviours.

Again, that does not make these appaling situations right, or tolerable, but it does explain how they come to be.

All we can do is try and make others see that instances that bring pain, suffering, and death on innocent people can never be right, no matter how culturally entrenched they may be.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //The vast cultural differences around the world mean that one society's taboos which arouse horror and disgust are another society's accepted behaviours.//

Precisely – and that contradicts your previous post. Cultural differences do not result from human nature. If they did, we would all behave similarly – but we don’t.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, //The vast cultural differences around the world mean that one society's taboos which arouse horror and disgust are another society's accepted behaviours.//

Precisely – and that contradicts your previous post. Cultural differences do not result from human nature. If they did, we would all behave similarly – but we don’t. //

I disagree - human nature is not a confined single-cell entity, it has vast and endless permutations, which is why some cultures act differently on its impulses from others.

But all feel the impulses, because every culture is made up of humans.

It is the willingness of one culture and not another to accept a set of values and behaviours that creates the differences I outlined.

[tamborine]

The sub continent culture is pervading the west.

http://www.headlinepolitics.com/islamist-cbs-want-every-woman-country-covered-head-toe-watch/

[andy-hughes]

tambourine - //The sub continent culture is pervading the west.//

I wouldn't call some fundamentalist and his small group of unbalanced followers 'pervading'.

People can feel free to ignore this man - and they will.