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Isis Atrocities
More atrocities by isis scum.
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Jim, yes, I’m sure. This American organisation’s forecast is limited to 2050 and is very carefully worded.
A study by the Muslim Council of Britain concludes:
//The number of children growing up as Muslims in the UK has almost doubled in a decade in what experts have described as an “unprecedented” shift in Britain’s social make-up.//
//Prof David Voas, director of the Institute for Social and Economic Research based at Essex University, said: “In terms of ethnic-religious minority groups expanding I think this is probably unprecedented. “Even if immigration stopped tomorrow it is clear that in due course by the middle of this century or a bit later, 10 per cent of the population of Britain will be of Muslim heritage.” //
^He’s done his sums. As I said, kids beget kids – and we shouldn’t be too complacent.
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A study by the Muslim Council of Britain concludes:
//The number of children growing up as Muslims in the UK has almost doubled in a decade in what experts have described as an “unprecedented” shift in Britain’s social make-up.//
//Prof David Voas, director of the Institute for Social and Economic Research based at Essex University, said: “In terms of ethnic-religious minority groups expanding I think this is probably unprecedented. “Even if immigration stopped tomorrow it is clear that in due course by the middle of this century or a bit later, 10 per cent of the population of Britain will be of Muslim heritage.” //
^He’s done his sums. As I said, kids beget kids – and we shouldn’t be too complacent.
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I'm still struggling to understand how you think this in any way invalidates the point I was making.
The original claim, entirely false, was that the UK Muslim Population would be greater than 50% of the total in 30 years. I promptly refuted this, by pointing out just how far it has to go in such a short time, and made an estimate (essentially back-of-the-envelope, but I don't need to do much more) that it would be, even at current rates, beyond my lifetime before this could happen.
This position is entirely supported by the link you have provided, as well as SP's, both of with estimate that somewhere around the middle of the century the Muslim population will have essentially doubled (at least as a proportion of the whole) from 2011 levels by 2050. This means that the total is somewhere near 10% in 35 years. That still leaves a further 40 percentage points to go to reach over half the UK population; it is not difficult to check that, continuing at the same rate, this would take a further 70-80 years after 2050 -- ie, current rates would have to be maintained for over a century. This is well beyond my expected lifespan, as I said.
This model is still too fast, though -- at some point, the same growth rate would predict that the total Muslim population within the UK will exceed that of the current population of the entire world (I reckon this will happen in about 2410). Hence the very idea of a sustain rate of growth at current levels falls down at some point, and rather quicker than 300 years too.
The present growth rate will not be sustained anyway (common sense is enough to confirm this); if it does, it will be beyond my lifetime before the population doubles (mathematics is enough to check that). This is based on the figures you have provided, and you are welcome to try the calculation for yourself if you still disagree. But ultimately the point is that a "30 years before we are overrun" prediction is utter rubbish and deserves to be condemned as such from all quarters.
The original claim, entirely false, was that the UK Muslim Population would be greater than 50% of the total in 30 years. I promptly refuted this, by pointing out just how far it has to go in such a short time, and made an estimate (essentially back-of-the-envelope, but I don't need to do much more) that it would be, even at current rates, beyond my lifetime before this could happen.
This position is entirely supported by the link you have provided, as well as SP's, both of with estimate that somewhere around the middle of the century the Muslim population will have essentially doubled (at least as a proportion of the whole) from 2011 levels by 2050. This means that the total is somewhere near 10% in 35 years. That still leaves a further 40 percentage points to go to reach over half the UK population; it is not difficult to check that, continuing at the same rate, this would take a further 70-80 years after 2050 -- ie, current rates would have to be maintained for over a century. This is well beyond my expected lifespan, as I said.
This model is still too fast, though -- at some point, the same growth rate would predict that the total Muslim population within the UK will exceed that of the current population of the entire world (I reckon this will happen in about 2410). Hence the very idea of a sustain rate of growth at current levels falls down at some point, and rather quicker than 300 years too.
The present growth rate will not be sustained anyway (common sense is enough to confirm this); if it does, it will be beyond my lifetime before the population doubles (mathematics is enough to check that). This is based on the figures you have provided, and you are welcome to try the calculation for yourself if you still disagree. But ultimately the point is that a "30 years before we are overrun" prediction is utter rubbish and deserves to be condemned as such from all quarters.
Jim, you’re going around in circles. The discussion has moved on. The original claim was declared null and void pages ago when Vulcan said ‘The 30 year period may be a myth but a Muslim majority in this country will happen, whether we like it or not’, to which SP replied ‘No it won't. It's a mathematic impossibility.’ It’s not. The fact is if birth rates continue as they are, Vulcan is right. Sooner or later Muslims will be in the majority. We’re talking about the future of this country and the legacy we’re leaving to our descendants, so what your lifetime in particular has to do with it I have no idea.
The problem of ISIS should have been tackled immediately, now it has secured it's place as a force to be reckoned with and gained even more followers, it's tentacles worldwide.
I might add that the same applies to the immigrants who are risking their lives at sea. Something should have be done much earlier to halt the sheer numbers of people arriving in Europe.
I might add that the same applies to the immigrants who are risking their lives at sea. Something should have be done much earlier to halt the sheer numbers of people arriving in Europe.
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