National Rail Strikes June- I Am Furious

[gordiescotland1]

I am furious there are 2 proposed national rail strikes in june one of them over the time I am due to go down to my nephews confirmation. I have booked and paid for hotels and theatre tickets now I will have to go by coach overnight or I will lose quite a bit of money. How dare unions hold this country to ransom and disrupt plans bring back Margaret Thatcher she would never have allowed this God I hated that witch but she knew how to sort out the unions. Strikes should be illegal. Staff are bloody lucky they have jobs millions not so lucky. No sympathy for their cause whatsoever nothing but contempt for the plans they have ruined. Is there nothing David Cameron can do I know hes as weak as dishwater at the best of times but Maggie wouldnt have put up with this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32920794
Apart from my rant what is everyones take on these strikes

[Zacs-Master]

Ah yes, reading about something. Always the equivalent of living thru it. For an academic.

[ToraToraTora]

It seems to me you've read he history that fits with what you want to believe jim.

[jim360]

I'm not saying it's equivalent, I'm just saying that it's possible that I'm not totally ignorant about the role Trade Unions have played in our history and the attitude they seem to have. The problem is that no-one's ever bothered to ask what I think about this. TTT seems too keen to assume I must have been brainwashed, for example.

[Zacs-Master]

Jim, your 'I was hoping to travel home next Friday. Gits.' comment is clearly subjective. If you'd lived thru the early 70s and experienced 3 day weeks and electricity black outs then I'd respect your opinion.

[jim360]

See, there TTT goes again -- you haven't even asked what I think about the Unions, or Thatcher for that matter, you just assume you know what I think. You are wrong. Very wrong.

[jim360]

Well essentially that amounts to not respecting the opinion of anyone younger than about, say, 60. Rather a high cut-off, there.

What do you think my opinion even is, anyway?

[Zacs-Master]

Jim, you have no personal,experience of what unions can (could?) do to a country's potential and international standing,,so why would we be interested in your opinion of them?

[jim360]

"..why would we be interested in your opinion of [unions]?"

I don't think you have to be interested, exactly. It would just be nice if you'd at least waited until you knew what it was before dismissing it.

[Zacs-Master]

OK,,go on, enlighten us.....

[Zacs-Master]

(Must have gone bee byes, or it's a VERY long opinion.....)

[ToraToraTora]

All my understanding of your views are from your own keyboard jim.We, here, have only each others writings to base our evaluations on. If I have mis understood then correct me. Am I wrong that you would have prefered a Labour win? You have general left wing views that young people have before they learn how real life works, you say things that indicate you have not the slightest understanding of what Unions and Socialists did to this country and how TGL saved it. Yes you can learn from reading the history books but those that lived through it offer a very much more compelling account.

[woofgang]

So lets be clear...the reason that you are furious is because your plans are ruined? If the strike dates were changed so you could travel as planned then you wouldn't be furious?

[jim360]

I'm not going for a long answer, ZM, I'm just not quite sure what I want to say, and how seriously anyone is interested anyway.

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TTT:

"Am I wrong that you would have prefered a Labour win?"

Yes, you are.

"...you say things that indicate you have not the slightest understanding of what Unions and Socialists did to this country and how TGL saved it."

It seems to me that you are very persistently clinging on to this idea that I'm a socialist left-winger. This is utterly false. In fact I seriously dislike unions, particularly the way they behaved in the 1970s and 80s, and feel very lucky indeed to have missed it personally. I also feel that lately they've lost the plot lately too (if, indeed, they ever got it back again).

I've tried to keep this brief and to the point. Half the reason for the delay in posting is that I keep putting down more to say and then decide against it after all. Let's leave it at what's above. Please, TTT, do people the favour of letting them express their opinion properly before deciding you know what it is. And can you retract all that stuff about brainwashing you threw at me earlier while you're at it.

[ToraToraTora]

that's the difference between the left and me, I am furious on behalf of everyone effected even though it does not effect me. The left are only furious when it effects them personally.

[ToraToraTora]

the 23:31 was in response to woofgang.

Ok jim I apologise if I have misunderstood. I will watch your future posts with interest. Ok you didn't want Labour and I won't assume that the corollary of that is that you are happy with the Tories. I'll just wait and see what pans out but given your well known antipathy towards our voting system you probably hoped for something quite different to what we ended up with.

[gordiescotland1]

You are right woof gang

[tonyav]

It might not happen, geordie.

[jim360]

"Ok jim I apologise if I have misunderstood."

Thanks.

"Ok you didn't want Labour and I won't assume that the corollary of that is that you are happy with the Tories."

Yeah I'm not really happy, although mostly this is for personal reasons. There is, perhaps, one reason I am glad (perhaps a bit of an overstatement) that the Tories got in, though. It now seems certain that we'll get an EU referendum. I think it's the right decision to hold one and I've said so plenty of times in the past.

"... given your well known antipathy towards our voting system you probably hoped for something quite different to what we ended up with."

Yes, that's also true. Like I said earlier, I didn't really know what I was hoping for. Best way to put it, I think, is that I was hoping that the British public didn't know overall either so that we'd end up with another hung parliament, and then see how the arithmetic worked out. And then pray like hell that there was an alternative to a Lab-SNP coalition.

[sherrardk]

Just asking, is it 'effected' or 'affected '?

[woofgang]

"affected" sherr