Society & Culture1 min ago
Hms Bulwark
This Royal Navy vessel is currently on its way towards the coast of Lybia to 'rescue refugees' who've took to the ocean in unseaworthy vessels, their intention, the invasion of Europe.
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
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New Judge, are you really saying that we, as a nation, should not help people in trouble in the Med ?
As for housing, governments of all hues have dodged the issue for years while whining about lack of new build. So perhaps it's time for them to think again about how to actually address the problem.
How about starting a building programme, funded by the government, perhaps using some of the unemployed (training them as well of course), with the eventual rents going to councils with a portion being returned to central government ?
It would be better to do that than rely on the major housebuilders who use every trick in the book to minimise the amount of social housing they include in new build projects. It might even reduce the amount councils and government have to spend on B&B housing and housing benefit in the longer term.
As for housing, governments of all hues have dodged the issue for years while whining about lack of new build. So perhaps it's time for them to think again about how to actually address the problem.
How about starting a building programme, funded by the government, perhaps using some of the unemployed (training them as well of course), with the eventual rents going to councils with a portion being returned to central government ?
It would be better to do that than rely on the major housebuilders who use every trick in the book to minimise the amount of social housing they include in new build projects. It might even reduce the amount councils and government have to spend on B&B housing and housing benefit in the longer term.
The migrants put ashore in Sicily may soon wish they were back home !
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Huderon
My two sons are early 30's and mid 30's. Both work their nuts off and do not scrounge a penny off the state. The youngest works as a financial adviser in banking.He still with mum and dad at the age of 32 because he can't afford to buy ,in London,where we live. The older son 34 has two young daughters.31/2 yrs and 2 months. He works his nuts off to provide a decent life for his wife and kids and does not claim benefits.He is a good lad who will provide for the good of his family without sponging on the state or fellow taxpayers. If more social housing is to be built then it has to be for those who were born here and pay their way.Not free loading filth seeking a free meal ticket.We are not able to look after the young or the elderly at the moment so economic immigrants should be told to fly a kite. We cannot accomodate the extra financial burden they impose on us in the UK.
My two sons are early 30's and mid 30's. Both work their nuts off and do not scrounge a penny off the state. The youngest works as a financial adviser in banking.He still with mum and dad at the age of 32 because he can't afford to buy ,in London,where we live. The older son 34 has two young daughters.31/2 yrs and 2 months. He works his nuts off to provide a decent life for his wife and kids and does not claim benefits.He is a good lad who will provide for the good of his family without sponging on the state or fellow taxpayers. If more social housing is to be built then it has to be for those who were born here and pay their way.Not free loading filth seeking a free meal ticket.We are not able to look after the young or the elderly at the moment so economic immigrants should be told to fly a kite. We cannot accomodate the extra financial burden they impose on us in the UK.
“New Judge, are you really saying that we, as a nation, should not help people in trouble in the Med ? “
Yes. They have deliberately imperilled themselves. The “Duty to rescue” was not designed for such circumstances and the nonsense needs to stop.
Governments do not have a duty to provide “new build” for all and sundry who land on these shores. Who is going to pay the rents for these properties?
I'm forever a amazed that many people seem to think that the solution to this problem is to simply build more and more "affordable" (i.e. free) homes. Of course, it's all the fault of the evil builders who have the temerity to want payment for the homes they build. What a cheek !!!
Yes. They have deliberately imperilled themselves. The “Duty to rescue” was not designed for such circumstances and the nonsense needs to stop.
Governments do not have a duty to provide “new build” for all and sundry who land on these shores. Who is going to pay the rents for these properties?
I'm forever a amazed that many people seem to think that the solution to this problem is to simply build more and more "affordable" (i.e. free) homes. Of course, it's all the fault of the evil builders who have the temerity to want payment for the homes they build. What a cheek !!!
ITV News at 10pm Tonight.
Once again. More African immigrants interviewed on arrival in Sicily after disembarking from HMS Bulwark. Quote "I just want to get to Britain to make a better life"Another person from Eritrea this time. These people are not the victims of a brutal regime who should be granted safe haven and asylum.Wake up fpr God's sake. You are suckers if you think we should be opening our doors to these free loading chancers.
Once again. More African immigrants interviewed on arrival in Sicily after disembarking from HMS Bulwark. Quote "I just want to get to Britain to make a better life"Another person from Eritrea this time. These people are not the victims of a brutal regime who should be granted safe haven and asylum.Wake up fpr God's sake. You are suckers if you think we should be opening our doors to these free loading chancers.
Retrocop I'm not sure that Eritrea is a better place to live than Syria accoring to this UN report from yesterday. Sounds like a brutal regime to me.
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And what about next year; and the year after; and the year after that?
Your "15,000 per state" figure requires some comment. Of course firstly it assumes that each of the 14 states will take 15k people each and (more importantly) that those arriving will want to settle in them (most of those crossing the Med have a "destination of choice" and that does not usually include Romania or Bulgaria, for example). However, in the last year some 641,000 people arrived to settle in the UK. Even assuming that the houses of those that left were immediately freed up (by no means certain) net migration was 318,000. By contrast, new house completions in the first quarter of 2015 were around 30,000 (which, of course, is not a net figure. Some homes had almost certainly been demolished during the same period meaning the net figure was considerably lower).
So, before you suggest that 15,000 is "hardly a flood", just do the sums and determine what an extra 15,000 souls really means to a country already struggling to accommodate the ridiculous levels of migration it is currently enduring.
Your "15,000 per state" figure requires some comment. Of course firstly it assumes that each of the 14 states will take 15k people each and (more importantly) that those arriving will want to settle in them (most of those crossing the Med have a "destination of choice" and that does not usually include Romania or Bulgaria, for example). However, in the last year some 641,000 people arrived to settle in the UK. Even assuming that the houses of those that left were immediately freed up (by no means certain) net migration was 318,000. By contrast, new house completions in the first quarter of 2015 were around 30,000 (which, of course, is not a net figure. Some homes had almost certainly been demolished during the same period meaning the net figure was considerably lower).
So, before you suggest that 15,000 is "hardly a flood", just do the sums and determine what an extra 15,000 souls really means to a country already struggling to accommodate the ridiculous levels of migration it is currently enduring.
New Judge, I am perfectly aware that the duty to rescue was never intended for the circumstances which exist today. To change it, as I am sure you are aware, would involve new international treaties and doubtless changes at the UN as well, none of which will happen any time in the near future. things are as they are, and wishing they were otherwise won't make the migration problem go away. So we (as in the EU) are stuck with it for now at any rate.
I am also aware that central government does not have a duty to build housing for the populace. "Affordable housing" implies housing which is for sale, I am talking about housing which is for rent, controlled by local councils.
Back in the 1930's the LCC built the largest council estate in south London less than five miles from where I am sitting. Major property developments have been undertaken by councils and encouraged by governments before.
Since governments seem to enjoy "investing" in the things we need, why not invest in housing for a change ? Design estates with a mix of housing and flats of varying sizes; build to a high standard; use solar panels, insulation and where appropriate hear exchangers and other things to keep the running costs as low as possible; use recycled materials to manufacture some of the interiors. And most important of all, encourage the UK companies who already produce a lot of this stuff to supply the goods on a much larger scale, thereby creating jobs and keeping a lot of the money spent on the project in this country as well as providing a base for exports which will bring more money into the country. Oh, and just as important, make sure those properties can't be sold off under the right to buy scheme because it is pointless building property for rent which will be sold off at a large discount in 5, 10 or 20 years time.
Could it be done ? Probably, but not by the major building companies on the kind of scale which would be required, which is why I suggested that government should put the money into something which has the potential to pay dividends all round.
I am also aware that central government does not have a duty to build housing for the populace. "Affordable housing" implies housing which is for sale, I am talking about housing which is for rent, controlled by local councils.
Back in the 1930's the LCC built the largest council estate in south London less than five miles from where I am sitting. Major property developments have been undertaken by councils and encouraged by governments before.
Since governments seem to enjoy "investing" in the things we need, why not invest in housing for a change ? Design estates with a mix of housing and flats of varying sizes; build to a high standard; use solar panels, insulation and where appropriate hear exchangers and other things to keep the running costs as low as possible; use recycled materials to manufacture some of the interiors. And most important of all, encourage the UK companies who already produce a lot of this stuff to supply the goods on a much larger scale, thereby creating jobs and keeping a lot of the money spent on the project in this country as well as providing a base for exports which will bring more money into the country. Oh, and just as important, make sure those properties can't be sold off under the right to buy scheme because it is pointless building property for rent which will be sold off at a large discount in 5, 10 or 20 years time.
Could it be done ? Probably, but not by the major building companies on the kind of scale which would be required, which is why I suggested that government should put the money into something which has the potential to pay dividends all round.
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