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This Royal Navy vessel is currently on its way towards the coast of Lybia to 'rescue refugees' who've took to the ocean in unseaworthy vessels, their intention, the invasion of Europe.
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
One this naval ship's decks are heaving with 'refugees,' what's its next move going to be? Where will the navy deposit those 'refugees?'
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Mikey, //You were praising the Australians the other day, because apparently "they won't let refugees land"
So, they must be pushing the boats back out to sea then, and they people in them drown ? Is that what you think the international community should do then ?//
While we’re taking them in, they will keep coming. If we stop taking them in they’ll stop coming – at least openly and by the boatload.
So, they must be pushing the boats back out to sea then, and they people in them drown ? Is that what you think the international community should do then ?//
While we’re taking them in, they will keep coming. If we stop taking them in they’ll stop coming – at least openly and by the boatload.
What will happen Naomi, is that the people traffickers will continue to pack 100,000's into boats and send them on their way.
We need to stop these people wanting and needing to emigrate in the first place, and a major cause of this recent huge increase in boat people, is the complete breakdown in countries like Syria, and other parts of North Africa.
And that situation can only be changed by international action. Its not going to go away, just because we turn our backs on it.
We need to stop these people wanting and needing to emigrate in the first place, and a major cause of this recent huge increase in boat people, is the complete breakdown in countries like Syria, and other parts of North Africa.
And that situation can only be changed by international action. Its not going to go away, just because we turn our backs on it.
Hilarious mikey, i couldnt care less what you do on here, you think im bothered if you reply to me or not...really ?...you seriously think i give toss ?
No, its what people like you suggest by inference or otherwise, that happens to this country that botheres me, and its not just me that thinks that.
No, its what people like you suggest by inference or otherwise, that happens to this country that botheres me, and its not just me that thinks that.
Stuey...while most of the boat people are from North Africa, many are from sub-Saharan Africa, so the UN has got to be involved as well as the EU.
But blockading the North African coast isn't going to cure this problem. Boat people from Africa have been arriving on the shores of the Canary Islands for many years, long before the present crisis with ISIS. Its a thorny problem that some on here think will go away, if they ignore it for long enough.
It won't of course.
But blockading the North African coast isn't going to cure this problem. Boat people from Africa have been arriving on the shores of the Canary Islands for many years, long before the present crisis with ISIS. Its a thorny problem that some on here think will go away, if they ignore it for long enough.
It won't of course.
I don't think I can be accused of ignoring it, Mikey.
I believe that the current invasion represents one of the gravest threats to the long term prosperity and stability of Europe. The difficulty is that efforts are being concentrated on plucking these people from the drink and ferrying them to their chosen destination. This is not sustainable and the time to demonstrate that this will not continue is now. There are plenty of strategies available to show thatEurope will not tolerate this situation and they need to be adopted immediately.
I believe that the current invasion represents one of the gravest threats to the long term prosperity and stability of Europe. The difficulty is that efforts are being concentrated on plucking these people from the drink and ferrying them to their chosen destination. This is not sustainable and the time to demonstrate that this will not continue is now. There are plenty of strategies available to show thatEurope will not tolerate this situation and they need to be adopted immediately.
Mikey
Where do I start to address you're two points whilst away for lunch with my family?
1st Point .
I suggested that we enter Libya and smash all boats and means to ferry immigrants across the Med.
This was met with almost a snort of derision by you .What send in the Gun boats.Are you serious. Is this tongue in cheek ? etc. I offered a solution to save lives. You can't and seem to believe my proposition is unworkable.
If you cannot come up with a solution then by inference you give the impression that the people smugglers cannot be stopped and can continue as they wish. Well they can quite easily be stopped if there is the will to do it. By smashing these boats you stop the seaborn invasion but you seem to ridicule that idea so I assume that you are happy for the current situation to continue and these people smugglers send these immigrants to their death.
2nd Point
You are implying that these people are fleeing the trouble in Syria and therefore are worthy of being sent to sea in dangerous vessels by the humane and benevolent smugglers. i.e. providing them a service
What tosh. If you have watched the Youtube clip it will be noted that all those immigrants who were interviewed were from Sierra Leone,Ivory coast,Cameroons. Hardly great trouble spots in the current scale of World Affairs. They were economic immigrants who wanted more money and become famous footballers and I had to laugh. One wanted his human rights.What rights do you suggest that will be Mikey if he hits the shore of Dover and thousands more like him?
You always admonish others for going off topic but ,as pointed out, you hijacked this thread and started going on about Syria.
It was you,apparently,who supported Assad's opponents who turned out to be no other than I S.
You are hopping from one foot to the other.
What send in Gun-boats retro? My word that means military interference. Tut Tut.
A little later you say that there should be military intervention.
Do you not think that Blair and his cronies have done enough to destabilise the Middle East already.
The loony left rejoiced at the Arab Spring. The uprising that put Gadaffi in his box.That mad dog who was Blair's mate said he would turn Europe Black and Muslim if he didn't get his 4 million annual bung. Well he wasn't bluffing was he Mikey?
Yes Sadam had a murderous regime and gassed Kurds but we were happy to support him as long as he kept Iran in check and the region and country was stable until Blair.
Egypt had a stab at an Arab Spring. Voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. Result bloodshed. Military Junta resumes in Government. Result relative stability and a country where people can have their jolly hols without the risk of I S running amok around them.
You seem to always support the bad guys Mikey and they don't need to wear black hats to identify them. Just a little sagacity helps though.
Any way. As promised I didn't run away from the post as some do when they are challenged but will try to keep out of any further debate for fear of being called a troll as I notice the name calling has started in my absence. Hope that has in part answered you Mikey.I can't add much more than what others have said to you previously. :-)
Where do I start to address you're two points whilst away for lunch with my family?
1st Point .
I suggested that we enter Libya and smash all boats and means to ferry immigrants across the Med.
This was met with almost a snort of derision by you .What send in the Gun boats.Are you serious. Is this tongue in cheek ? etc. I offered a solution to save lives. You can't and seem to believe my proposition is unworkable.
If you cannot come up with a solution then by inference you give the impression that the people smugglers cannot be stopped and can continue as they wish. Well they can quite easily be stopped if there is the will to do it. By smashing these boats you stop the seaborn invasion but you seem to ridicule that idea so I assume that you are happy for the current situation to continue and these people smugglers send these immigrants to their death.
2nd Point
You are implying that these people are fleeing the trouble in Syria and therefore are worthy of being sent to sea in dangerous vessels by the humane and benevolent smugglers. i.e. providing them a service
What tosh. If you have watched the Youtube clip it will be noted that all those immigrants who were interviewed were from Sierra Leone,Ivory coast,Cameroons. Hardly great trouble spots in the current scale of World Affairs. They were economic immigrants who wanted more money and become famous footballers and I had to laugh. One wanted his human rights.What rights do you suggest that will be Mikey if he hits the shore of Dover and thousands more like him?
You always admonish others for going off topic but ,as pointed out, you hijacked this thread and started going on about Syria.
It was you,apparently,who supported Assad's opponents who turned out to be no other than I S.
You are hopping from one foot to the other.
What send in Gun-boats retro? My word that means military interference. Tut Tut.
A little later you say that there should be military intervention.
Do you not think that Blair and his cronies have done enough to destabilise the Middle East already.
The loony left rejoiced at the Arab Spring. The uprising that put Gadaffi in his box.That mad dog who was Blair's mate said he would turn Europe Black and Muslim if he didn't get his 4 million annual bung. Well he wasn't bluffing was he Mikey?
Yes Sadam had a murderous regime and gassed Kurds but we were happy to support him as long as he kept Iran in check and the region and country was stable until Blair.
Egypt had a stab at an Arab Spring. Voted in the Muslim Brotherhood. Result bloodshed. Military Junta resumes in Government. Result relative stability and a country where people can have their jolly hols without the risk of I S running amok around them.
You seem to always support the bad guys Mikey and they don't need to wear black hats to identify them. Just a little sagacity helps though.
Any way. As promised I didn't run away from the post as some do when they are challenged but will try to keep out of any further debate for fear of being called a troll as I notice the name calling has started in my absence. Hope that has in part answered you Mikey.I can't add much more than what others have said to you previously. :-)
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He doesnt like people that dont agree with him and god help you if keep standing up to him...youre obviously a troll, dont hold his views on immigration..then you must be a racist, dont agree with him on...ok you get the picture...
but as ive said before he may not reply to you, like that bothers you,but you can bet he still reads what you write on here.....
He doesnt like people that dont agree with him and god help you if keep standing up to him...youre obviously a troll, dont hold his views on immigration..then you must be a racist, dont agree with him on...ok you get the picture...
but as ive said before he may not reply to you, like that bothers you,but you can bet he still reads what you write on here.....
Well Retrocop, I can see no sign of you admitting that the statements that you purported to come from me were untrue !
For the record, I have never supported the criminal elements that send these boat people over the Med to Europe. I have challenged you to find that I have, in any post that I have made today, or any other day, when we have been debating this issue, but you have failed. So.... we must assume that if you were to have found any such evidence. you would have produced it.
The very fact that you haven't, proves one of the following...either I have, but you can't find it, or I haven't, because no evidence exists. I will leave others to decide which is the truth.
By the way, I have never referred to you as a troll. There are others that deserve that title but I don't count you amongst them. You may take that as a compliment if you like, but it is only me being as honest as I can dare to be.
Your "mea culpa" after you came back from the dead recently, impressed me immensely, and because of that, I am happy to debate with you further on this subject, or any other...a privilege I do not extend to everyone on here.
For the record, I have never supported the criminal elements that send these boat people over the Med to Europe. I have challenged you to find that I have, in any post that I have made today, or any other day, when we have been debating this issue, but you have failed. So.... we must assume that if you were to have found any such evidence. you would have produced it.
The very fact that you haven't, proves one of the following...either I have, but you can't find it, or I haven't, because no evidence exists. I will leave others to decide which is the truth.
By the way, I have never referred to you as a troll. There are others that deserve that title but I don't count you amongst them. You may take that as a compliment if you like, but it is only me being as honest as I can dare to be.
Your "mea culpa" after you came back from the dead recently, impressed me immensely, and because of that, I am happy to debate with you further on this subject, or any other...a privilege I do not extend to everyone on here.
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