Ban Smoking In Pub Gardens ?

[youngmafbog]

Seems like a reasonable thing to me. Smokers dont care about who they upset so something needs to be done if they wont act reasonably.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3195854/Call-smoking-ban-OUTSIDE-pubs.html

[anotheoldgit]

/// Smokers dont care about who they upset so something needs to be done if they wont act reasonably. ///

Neither do the drunken yobs or the parents of unruly children, should they also be banned from pub gardens?

[Zacs-Master]

Drunken yobs and children don't cause cancer.

[jennyjoan]

I was at a funeral on Monday at quite an elite golf club and went to the toilet - couldn't believe cigarette burns in two of the sinks.

[Arksided]

I can accept the smoking ban and having to go outside, but this is getting ridiculous.

[Mamyalynne]

I wouldn't worry - there'll be no pubs left soon.

[Zacs-Master]

slight exaggeration there mamya.

[237SJ]

They`ve been doing that in the States for years. There are still plenty of people going to the bars and it`s nice to be able to sit outside without being in a fog of smoke.

[baza]

Ban the sale of booze in pubs then the problem goes aways, no more people smoking outside.

[Mamyalynne]

Based on experience, there'll be food outlets that also serve drinks but they aren't Pubs.

[mallyh]

i agree with you Arksided. ( as a pedestrian,especially in winter i have to breathe in all the muck from cars when people leave the engines running when parked , is this to be banned too )

[Arksided]

It'd be nice to sit outside enjoying one of the few pleasures in life thats legal without being made to feel guilty by someone whinging.

[Booldawg]

I'm not a smoker but this is ridiculous. Most pubs have had to construct outside smoking areas to conform with the smoking ban inside the pub. Now they want to move the goalposts again.

Think the government want the only pub in the UK to be the bar in House of Commons where beer is not taxed and you're still allowed to smoke.

[youngmafbog]

//It'd be nice to sit outside enjoying one of the few pleasures in life //

Ever thought that others may want to sit outside and enjoy the pleasures - without your second hand smoke?

// there'll be no pubs left soon.//

What utter nonsense. Our local is fuller than ever and it is a chimneys pub selling loads of real ale not food and so is the one up the road. You can get some food at your table if you really want but few do, most are quaffing.

[vulcan42]

That article is nothing to do with smokers upsetting people, having been banned from inside the pub the RSPH now want exclusion zones for smokers. If our government were really concerned with the health of their people they would ban smoking, but hypocritically, they prefer to have the money. In August 2014, according to the Guardian, over 30 pubs a week were closing.

[youngmafbog]

No, the article doesnt. But my view on it and my reasoning does.

Unless, of course I am not allowed an opinion?

[New Judge]

Went for lunch a few weeks back (on one of the few days that made up “summer” – you might remember when that was). Idyllic pub, lovely garden, good beer, food and company. Unfortunately all ruined. Up to my ankles in dog ends, ash and cigarette burns all over the tables. Three smokers at the next table unfortunately with the wind in the wrong direction. Smoke and ash a constant. Eventually turned it in and went inside before food arrived.

There is a lovely pub in Sandown on the Isle of Wight called “The Caulkhead”. Haven’t been for a few years but last time I was there they had the right idea. One small corner of their garden was fenced off. In the enclosure was a single table with an ashtray. Smoking was only permitted in that enclosure - well away from the rest of the tables in the main garden - and the rule was rigorously enforced. Result – people wanting to have lunch in the garden could do so without being covered in ash, smoke and dog-ends.

“Neither do the drunken yobs or the parents of unruly children, should they also be banned from pub gardens?”

Most certainly. In fact, children (whether unruly or not) should never have been permitted in pubs or their gardens. Some places are needed for adults only and a pub is an ideal example. Drunken yobs should be asked to leave as it is an offence to serve somebody who is drunk with alcohol.

[Mamyalynne]

In truth it won't make any difference to my habits, have only visited Licensed Premises since the ban on occasions such as Weddings and Wakes etc.

On those odd times I have decamped to the farthest corner of the car park for my fix.

Oh and before we start the usual litter etc. route - I carry an ashtray and have never so much as dropped a cig butt.

[237SJ]

NJ - same in Richmond the other night. We wanted to sit outside but couldn`t because of the smoke. Whereas before the ban, smokers were dispersed inside and outside the pub, they are now concentrated in one place and it`s just a no-go area.

[Zacs-Master]

'In fact, children (whether unruly or not) should never have been permitted in pubs or their gardens.'

Rather an anachronistic and anti-commercial opinion.

[Arksided]

I'd happily sit inside and smoke if I were allowed to.