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He was just boring before his K, now he's insufferable .
05:48 Wed 26th Aug 2015
have been as patient as I can but -
I addressed a question to PP, and await a reply.
I have been tied up in trying to explain my meaning to both you, and AOG, who'se inability to grasp a three-word question is matched only by your mutual tenacity, and unwillingness to accept that it is PP's answer that I want, rather than trying to get past your apparently wilful misinterpretations.
So I will wait for PP to respond - if he chooses to do so, and desist from arguing with both of you on this specific aspect of the thread.
I addressed a question to PP, and await a reply.
I have been tied up in trying to explain my meaning to both you, and AOG, who'se inability to grasp a three-word question is matched only by your mutual tenacity, and unwillingness to accept that it is PP's answer that I want, rather than trying to get past your apparently wilful misinterpretations.
So I will wait for PP to respond - if he chooses to do so, and desist from arguing with both of you on this specific aspect of the thread.
AOG
Ah ha!
I'm totally up to speed now.
So your point of view is completely different from Lenny Henry's because he is in a position to promote a form of discrimination.
Which of course, is completely different from your attitude to Brian True-May (producer of Midsomer Murders) in his efforts to keep ethnic minorities from the show...
No, hang on...I thought I had it there...no...what's the difference again???
Ah ha!
I'm totally up to speed now.
So your point of view is completely different from Lenny Henry's because he is in a position to promote a form of discrimination.
Which of course, is completely different from your attitude to Brian True-May (producer of Midsomer Murders) in his efforts to keep ethnic minorities from the show...
No, hang on...I thought I had it there...no...what's the difference again???
No...let's leave that particular Pandora's Box well alone.
The key thing here is that Lenny is speaking out on a race issue. I'm not talking about his stint on Radio Four (was it Radio Four???) - I'm referring to his right to speak out on matters of race.
Do you think he should be able to speak out, in the same way that you do...so frequently?
Do you think that Svek's thread title could easily be applied not only to Mr Henry, but others who have deemed themselves to be the Cassandra of AnswerBank?
The key thing here is that Lenny is speaking out on a race issue. I'm not talking about his stint on Radio Four (was it Radio Four???) - I'm referring to his right to speak out on matters of race.
Do you think he should be able to speak out, in the same way that you do...so frequently?
Do you think that Svek's thread title could easily be applied not only to Mr Henry, but others who have deemed themselves to be the Cassandra of AnswerBank?
SP, //Which of course, is completely different from your attitude to Brian True-May (producer of Midsomer Murders) in his efforts to keep ethnic minorities from the show... //
I think you'll find there was a good reason for that. English villages, in the main, don't tend to be places where ethnic minorities choose to live.
I think you'll find there was a good reason for that. English villages, in the main, don't tend to be places where ethnic minorities choose to live.
From an interview Henry gave last year:
// I honestly believe that broadcasters want to solve the problem of the lack of BAME people in the television industry. But I also think they should listen far more closely to the solutions being proposed by the BAME people actually working in the industry. All the people I talk to think ring-fenced money would be a good idea.//
Exactly who are the people he has talked to?
// I honestly believe that broadcasters want to solve the problem of the lack of BAME people in the television industry. But I also think they should listen far more closely to the solutions being proposed by the BAME people actually working in the industry. All the people I talk to think ring-fenced money would be a good idea.//
Exactly who are the people he has talked to?
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Channel4 News has a token Muslim woman presenter/interviewer, she is not easy on my eye, has a rather large hooked nose and her head is swathed in a scarf resembling a baggy silk balaclava, she isn't good at what she does and seems to intimidate and fails to put at ease her interviewees who on the whole try hard to pretend that she is a natural authentic TV personality.
My observations may appear to some to be racially motivated, which they are not, it is simply that I find her presence 'in my face' and typical Channel4 posturing.
If 'ring-fencing' is to be in order to produce more of this, I'm against it.
My observations may appear to some to be racially motivated, which they are not, it is simply that I find her presence 'in my face' and typical Channel4 posturing.
If 'ring-fencing' is to be in order to produce more of this, I'm against it.
naomi24
You wrote:
"I think you'll find there was a good reason for that. English villages, in the main, don't tend to be places where ethnic minorities choose to live."
But Midsomer Murders isn't a soap opera with the same recurring characters every week.
It has featured hundreds of new characters over its 17 years on screen - and as the show features new characters each week, if it were to reflect life in the 21st century, the occasion non-white would inevitably show up.
You're unfairly talking about people living in Midsomer, whereas my point is that non-whites actually travel out of the cities.
I know I have.
I'm sure your black and Muslim friends have too.
You wrote:
"I think you'll find there was a good reason for that. English villages, in the main, don't tend to be places where ethnic minorities choose to live."
But Midsomer Murders isn't a soap opera with the same recurring characters every week.
It has featured hundreds of new characters over its 17 years on screen - and as the show features new characters each week, if it were to reflect life in the 21st century, the occasion non-white would inevitably show up.
You're unfairly talking about people living in Midsomer, whereas my point is that non-whites actually travel out of the cities.
I know I have.
I'm sure your black and Muslim friends have too.
andy-hughes
/// I am delighted to land from a great height on your usual huffing and puffing ///
/// only you have a bee in your bonnet about people of colour. ///
/// because you have (pardon the pun) a black-and-white attitude to issues where people of other ethnicitries are involved, and your history on this site is ample evidence of that. ///
/// I have been tied up in trying to explain my meaning to both you, and AOG, who'se inability to grasp a three-word question is matched only by your mutual tenacity, and unwillingness to accept that it is PP's answer that I want, rather than trying to get past your apparently wilful misinterpretations. ///
Reading some of your posts, it seems that you have reverted back to your old in-built ways, you are being personally rude to me and falling very short of openly calling me a racist, to which I object to most strongly.
You have already upset a number of people on this site, and obviously I now add myself to this number.
You are now left with the option of apologising and we can then enter back into non personal debates or I will once again have no other option than to no longer debate with you personally.
/// I am delighted to land from a great height on your usual huffing and puffing ///
/// only you have a bee in your bonnet about people of colour. ///
/// because you have (pardon the pun) a black-and-white attitude to issues where people of other ethnicitries are involved, and your history on this site is ample evidence of that. ///
/// I have been tied up in trying to explain my meaning to both you, and AOG, who'se inability to grasp a three-word question is matched only by your mutual tenacity, and unwillingness to accept that it is PP's answer that I want, rather than trying to get past your apparently wilful misinterpretations. ///
Reading some of your posts, it seems that you have reverted back to your old in-built ways, you are being personally rude to me and falling very short of openly calling me a racist, to which I object to most strongly.
You have already upset a number of people on this site, and obviously I now add myself to this number.
You are now left with the option of apologising and we can then enter back into non personal debates or I will once again have no other option than to no longer debate with you personally.
AOG - "Reading some of your posts, it seems that you have reverted back to your old in-built ways, you are being personally rude to me and falling very short of openly calling me a racist, to which I object to most strongly."
I think I offered robust responses to your trenchant observations AOG, as we both always have done.
Your scoffed at the notion that I would know for a fact that Lenny Henry has suffered racial abuse - prefaced with "Oh, so ..." which drips with disdain. I was absolutely delighted to be able to trounce that observation - a small victory, but I did enjoy it!
"You have already upset a number of people on this site, and obviously I now add myself to this number."
I terms of the AB'ers who have made it their business to argue with every post I make - not on the basis of its contents, but on the basis that they have taken a personal dislike to me - I couldn't care less if they are 'upset' - I continue to debate with those whose views and person I respect - the rest I have withdrawn from, as I advise previously on another thread.
"You are now left with the option of apologising and we can then enter back into non personal debates or I will once again have no other option than to no longer debate with you personally."
If you feel offended by my responses, then I am happy to apologise - because I regard you as a person of integrity who fights their corner based on apposing viewpoints, rather than undeserved personal animosity.
If you feel that I inferred that you are a racist, then I am happy to offer my apologies, that was not my intention, I do not believe that you are a racist.
I hope that has cleared up any misunderstanding, and we can move on - once again in the spirit of robust exchanges, which will occasionally spill over into inferences unintended by either side.
Fortunately, we are both able to accept that inferences taken are not always inferences intended - a drawback of written communication - and we can discuss them address them, and move on again.
I think I offered robust responses to your trenchant observations AOG, as we both always have done.
Your scoffed at the notion that I would know for a fact that Lenny Henry has suffered racial abuse - prefaced with "Oh, so ..." which drips with disdain. I was absolutely delighted to be able to trounce that observation - a small victory, but I did enjoy it!
"You have already upset a number of people on this site, and obviously I now add myself to this number."
I terms of the AB'ers who have made it their business to argue with every post I make - not on the basis of its contents, but on the basis that they have taken a personal dislike to me - I couldn't care less if they are 'upset' - I continue to debate with those whose views and person I respect - the rest I have withdrawn from, as I advise previously on another thread.
"You are now left with the option of apologising and we can then enter back into non personal debates or I will once again have no other option than to no longer debate with you personally."
If you feel offended by my responses, then I am happy to apologise - because I regard you as a person of integrity who fights their corner based on apposing viewpoints, rather than undeserved personal animosity.
If you feel that I inferred that you are a racist, then I am happy to offer my apologies, that was not my intention, I do not believe that you are a racist.
I hope that has cleared up any misunderstanding, and we can move on - once again in the spirit of robust exchanges, which will occasionally spill over into inferences unintended by either side.
Fortunately, we are both able to accept that inferences taken are not always inferences intended - a drawback of written communication - and we can discuss them address them, and move on again.
andy-hughes
Thank you for your 'gratefully accepted' apologies Andy, and I am now happy to continue debating with you, in a none personal abusive way.
But please in the future remember that you are not always right and that points made by your opponents are not always 'invalid', just because their views may be opposite to yours.
Regarding your concerns about my so called fixations with race and colour.
I know that in the age we now live in, criticism of people who happen to be from the ethnic minorities, or even of a certain sexual orientation is frowned upon.
But as a great believer in a level playing field I don't think that debate or free speech should be curtailed just because it happens to be focused against a certain group of people, providing of course that it does not break any Laws.
Thank you for your 'gratefully accepted' apologies Andy, and I am now happy to continue debating with you, in a none personal abusive way.
But please in the future remember that you are not always right and that points made by your opponents are not always 'invalid', just because their views may be opposite to yours.
Regarding your concerns about my so called fixations with race and colour.
I know that in the age we now live in, criticism of people who happen to be from the ethnic minorities, or even of a certain sexual orientation is frowned upon.
But as a great believer in a level playing field I don't think that debate or free speech should be curtailed just because it happens to be focused against a certain group of people, providing of course that it does not break any Laws.
AOG - "Thank you for your 'gratefully accepted' apologies Andy, and I am now happy to continue debating with you, in a none personal abusive way."
Good - glad we sorted that out.
"But please in the future remember that you are not always right and that points made by your opponents are not always 'invalid', just because their views may be opposite to yours."
I never ever assume that I am always right - if I believe I am right, I will say so, and if I know I am right - as with the Lenny Henry racism point, I will say so, although I must refrain from being quite so gleeful about being right - that is a bad habit which I will address.
"Regarding your concerns about my so called fixations with race and colour.
I know that in the age we now live in, criticism of people who happen to be from the ethnic minorities, or even of a certain sexual orientation is frowned upon.
But as a great believer in a level playing field I don't think that debate or free speech should be curtailed just because it happens to be focused against a certain group of people, providing of course that it does not break any Laws."
I would not argue against a single point there.
My belief is that if people of a certain race or orientation are using that aspect to defend the indefensible, they should absolutely be called out on it, but by the same token, I am very wary of criticism offered - as happens on here - purely on the basis of said ethnicity or race.
I would not include you in such criticism, I have always admired your willingness and ability to state your case and argue your points consistently - if sometimes a little irascibly - but we all are what we are, and amen to that.
Good - glad we sorted that out.
"But please in the future remember that you are not always right and that points made by your opponents are not always 'invalid', just because their views may be opposite to yours."
I never ever assume that I am always right - if I believe I am right, I will say so, and if I know I am right - as with the Lenny Henry racism point, I will say so, although I must refrain from being quite so gleeful about being right - that is a bad habit which I will address.
"Regarding your concerns about my so called fixations with race and colour.
I know that in the age we now live in, criticism of people who happen to be from the ethnic minorities, or even of a certain sexual orientation is frowned upon.
But as a great believer in a level playing field I don't think that debate or free speech should be curtailed just because it happens to be focused against a certain group of people, providing of course that it does not break any Laws."
I would not argue against a single point there.
My belief is that if people of a certain race or orientation are using that aspect to defend the indefensible, they should absolutely be called out on it, but by the same token, I am very wary of criticism offered - as happens on here - purely on the basis of said ethnicity or race.
I would not include you in such criticism, I have always admired your willingness and ability to state your case and argue your points consistently - if sometimes a little irascibly - but we all are what we are, and amen to that.
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