Muslim Flight Attendant Refuses To Serve Alcohol

[retrocop]

Here we go again. Another case of the goal posts being widened and changed.
She was accepted for the post before she converted to Islam.Now she wants to retain her job but refuse to serve alcohol. Sounds familiar.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-muslim-flight-attendant-suspended-204948468.html#NBOwzC

[retrocop]

So how would this woman's new found religion reconcile herself with working with a gay flight steward or having to serve an in-flight meal to gay passengers who are cuddling and kissing in the back row. Will she be refusing them service or chucking them out the door?

[andy-hughes]

Responses split into two ...

[naomi24]

If she can't do the job she's employed to do she should do something else for a living. She should not expect her personal beliefs to take precedence over the inconvenience they cause to others.

[Davemano]

To me this is quite simple. She is now unable to fully carry out the duties for which she was appointed.

[chaptazbru2]

TheChair - can you give me an example where a Christian has refused to do a job of work because of their religion ?

[andy-hughes]

chaptazbru - "TheChair - can you give me an example where a Christian has refused to do a job of work because of their religion ?"

I can - the guest house owners who refused accommodation to a gay couple because they wished to share a bed - remember?

[bednobs]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34145941?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central&ocid=socialflow_facebook

[andy-hughes]

Indeed bednobs - I think I experienced a wood / trees interface there!

[chaptazbru2]

Oh yea, I forgot about them.

[bednobs]

and the gay cake people!

[Mamyalynne]

Gay cakes sound fun.

[mikey4444]

I agree with Mamy's posts here. This is similar to the American bigot woman that refused to give gay couples s marriage licence. This woman should also step aside and let someone else do her job.

[chaptazbru2]

Ha ha Mamya .....

[Khandro]

andy-hughes //Khandro - "Like most similar cases - aggressive wearing head coverings and suchlike, you will find a cowardly man putting her up to this, a father, brother or husband."
That's an interesting observation. Generalised, biased, and totally without evidence, but still interesting.//

Some on this thread have pointed out how alcohol is sold by Muslims in corner shops - yes, but that's by MEN, the men don't risk much and put their principles aside while encouraging and often compelling women to make these gestures. Have you never considered why it's always women in the news?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - "Some on this thread have pointed out how alcohol is sold by Muslims in corner shops - yes, but that's by MEN, the men don't risk much and put their principles aside while encouraging and often compelling women to make these gestures. Have you never considered why it's always women in the news?"

I would dispute that it is always women in the news - considering the acreage of newsprint devoted to Muslim hate preachers - who are all men!

They outweigh the occasional piece like this by a considerable margin.

Every shop I have been in run by Muslims that sells alcohol has at least one, usually more women working there - I think your argument is very shaky on that one.

[Khandro]

What exactly are your "hate preachers" risking, not their livelihood, and they have little if any contact with the general public, creeps like Anjem Choudary do by trying to humiliate policemen, but they are on benefits sponging off the state, so they have also nothing to lose.
Controversy always surrounds schoolgirls, hairdressers and the likes of this a airline stewardess. Can you point to a man who has lost his livelihood because of his adherence to his religious principles?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - "Can you point to a man who has lost his livelihood because of his adherence to his religious principles?"

No - but that is not the issue here is it?

This lady is not (potentially) looing her job because of her religious primciples, she is losing her job because she will not perform the tasks that the job involves.

The motives are not the reason for the dismissal - just the same as the arrest was not motivated by the court clerk's Christian views in the previous thread.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //This lady is not (potentially) looing her job because of her religious primciples, she is losing her job because she will not perform the tasks that the job involves.//

That makes no sense. She is refusing, solely due to her religious principles, to carry out the tasks her employer requires of her. Therefore she is losing her job due to her religious principles. If she wasn’t Muslim she’d serve passengers with alcohol, just as she did before she converted to Islam, and her job wouldn't be in jeopardy.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - "andy-hughes, //This lady is not (potentially) looing her job because of her religious primciples, she is losing her job because she will not perform the tasks that the job involves.//

That makes no sense. She is refusing, solely due to her religious principles, to carry out the tasks her employer requires of her. Therefore she is losing her job due to her religious principles. If she wasn’t Muslim she’d serve passengers with alcohol, just as she did before she converted to Islam, and her job wouldn't be in jeopardy."

I know it appears to be hair-splitting, but I do believe that the distinction is valid and important.

If the lady said she was not serving alcohol because her father was a violent alcoholic, then she would face exactly the same sanction.

The point is that the sanction is imposed because of the unprofessional behaviour - the reasons behind that behaviour are not an issue as far as the employer is concerned.

The employer expects tasks involved in a job to be performed, and if they are not performed, there are sanctions, including dismissal at their disposal.

The reasons why the tasks are not performed are of no concern, or relevance in terms of enforcing an employment contract.