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Should We Not Look After Our Own Soldiers First Before Taking In Refugees
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This country has an appalling record for the way it treats its ex soldiers
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Instead of opening the door to 20000 Syrian refugees why not provide accommadation for brave soldiers who have fought for queen and country.
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Instead of opening the door to 20000 Syrian refugees why not provide accommadation for brave soldiers who have fought for queen and country.
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We do not have the resources to do both, Andy. Unless, that is, you include among those resources borrowed money.
This country is borrowing huge sums of money much of which is being used to provide aid to foreigners. The cost of this borrowing is considerable and falls upon taxpayers. It’s rather like you or I borrowing money to give to down and outs in the street. It’s laughable.
People in the UK are being told that considerable cuts must be made to services. The police is a case in point where most forces have seen enormous cuts to their budgets. More relevant to Gordie’s question is the defence budget which has seen similar cuts. One of the effects of this is to see thousands of ex-servicemen and women made redundant with little support. Many of these – especially those with lengthy service – have been unable to build a “normal” life (securing a home and assets, etc. and gaining experience of managing their own affairs) whilst in the forces. Many suffer from conditions such as PTSD which makes their assimilation into civilian life even more difficult and they need special support.
Many of the young men leaving Syria for pastures new would be eligible for National Service in that country. Undertaking such service instead of clearing off to build a new life in Europe may be of greater benefit to their nation. Mr Cameron is in the Middle East examining how UK taxpayers’ largesse is being spent. He would do better remaining here (keeping the money in his pocket) and examining how some UK ex-service personnel are coping.
This country is borrowing huge sums of money much of which is being used to provide aid to foreigners. The cost of this borrowing is considerable and falls upon taxpayers. It’s rather like you or I borrowing money to give to down and outs in the street. It’s laughable.
People in the UK are being told that considerable cuts must be made to services. The police is a case in point where most forces have seen enormous cuts to their budgets. More relevant to Gordie’s question is the defence budget which has seen similar cuts. One of the effects of this is to see thousands of ex-servicemen and women made redundant with little support. Many of these – especially those with lengthy service – have been unable to build a “normal” life (securing a home and assets, etc. and gaining experience of managing their own affairs) whilst in the forces. Many suffer from conditions such as PTSD which makes their assimilation into civilian life even more difficult and they need special support.
Many of the young men leaving Syria for pastures new would be eligible for National Service in that country. Undertaking such service instead of clearing off to build a new life in Europe may be of greater benefit to their nation. Mr Cameron is in the Middle East examining how UK taxpayers’ largesse is being spent. He would do better remaining here (keeping the money in his pocket) and examining how some UK ex-service personnel are coping.
i find it difficult to pin down the relationship between ex soldiers and homeless people, but im pretty sure that ex soldiers are entitled to the same benefits and welfare that the general population are entitled to, and entitled to apply for the same jobs. Are you suggesting that once you have served your country you should be entitled to free housing forever and never have to work again.
The article seems to suggest it's related to use of alcohol and drugs - should all alcoholic drug users be treated the same, or is it down to the reason you became one what help you might get?
If the "horrors of war" is the link, then providing housing is just putting a sticking plaster over the problem.
The article seems to suggest it's related to use of alcohol and drugs - should all alcoholic drug users be treated the same, or is it down to the reason you became one what help you might get?
If the "horrors of war" is the link, then providing housing is just putting a sticking plaster over the problem.
I see your point but I think the two are mutually exclusive.
Teh Syria issue is a real problem, of course if the EU got it act together and sorted it out the UK would not have to be in there with such large donations. But that wont happen because the EU is not about unity, rather German based domination.
And its not just the soldiers we should be looking out for. Charity begins at home. Dave needs to understand that and not listen to a minority loudmouthed bunch of lefty and luvvie demonstrators.
Teh Syria issue is a real problem, of course if the EU got it act together and sorted it out the UK would not have to be in there with such large donations. But that wont happen because the EU is not about unity, rather German based domination.
And its not just the soldiers we should be looking out for. Charity begins at home. Dave needs to understand that and not listen to a minority loudmouthed bunch of lefty and luvvie demonstrators.
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I think it is an easy - but over-simplistic - link to make, that ex-soldiers are more deserving of assistance that foreign refugees.
My view is that Britain has a responsibility to address the issues of poverty and displacement which it has taken an active part in creating and encouraging.
But should we also be looking after UK citizens who have joined the armed forces and are now displaced in their own country?
Absolutely.
It is a matter of re-distribution of the money and resources that we have.
Instead of even dreaming of renewing the vile obscenity that is Trident, we should be allocating that money to the health and wellbeing of citizens here and now, instead of spending nine figures of UK money on protection from a nebulous threat which remains unfulfilled as it has for the last seventy years.
So yes, I do believe we have the resources, but not the will, to address both problems, and a lot more besides.
My view is that Britain has a responsibility to address the issues of poverty and displacement which it has taken an active part in creating and encouraging.
But should we also be looking after UK citizens who have joined the armed forces and are now displaced in their own country?
Absolutely.
It is a matter of re-distribution of the money and resources that we have.
Instead of even dreaming of renewing the vile obscenity that is Trident, we should be allocating that money to the health and wellbeing of citizens here and now, instead of spending nine figures of UK money on protection from a nebulous threat which remains unfulfilled as it has for the last seventy years.
So yes, I do believe we have the resources, but not the will, to address both problems, and a lot more besides.
New Judge - "We do not have the resources to do both, Andy. Unless, that is, you include among those resources borrowed money.
This country is borrowing huge sums of money much of which is being used to provide aid to foreigners. The cost of this borrowing is considerable and falls upon taxpayers.
The amount of GDP spent on foreign aid = 0.7%
The amount of GDP spent on defence = 2.1%.
I know where I'd start cutting to save money.
This country is borrowing huge sums of money much of which is being used to provide aid to foreigners. The cost of this borrowing is considerable and falls upon taxpayers.
The amount of GDP spent on foreign aid = 0.7%
The amount of GDP spent on defence = 2.1%.
I know where I'd start cutting to save money.
Instead of even dreaming of renewing the vile obscenity that is Trident, we should be allocating that money to the health and wellbeing of citizens here and now, instead of spending nine figures of UK money on protection from a nebulous threat which remains unfulfilled as it has for the last seventy years.
Maybe the threat remains unfulfilled because of Trident?
Maybe the threat remains unfulfilled because of Trident?
Talbot - "Instead of even dreaming of renewing the vile obscenity that is Trident, we should be allocating that money to the health and wellbeing of citizens here and now, instead of spending nine figures of UK money on protection from a nebulous threat which remains unfulfilled as it has for the last seventy years.
Maybe the threat remains unfulfilled because of Trident?"
That's far too flimsy a rationale to hang billions of pounds of tax-payers money on to my way of thinking.
Maybe the threat remains unfulfilled because of Trident?"
That's far too flimsy a rationale to hang billions of pounds of tax-payers money on to my way of thinking.
andy-hughes
/// So yes, I do believe we have the resources, but not the will, to address both problems, and a lot more besides. ///
But that does not answer the problem, yes in an utopian situation, it would be good to look after both. but that is not going to happen.
So now please answer this, should the government first look after it's own people especially it's own ex-service men and women or choose to look after other country's people?
A simple YES, it should look after the needs of it's own first or NO, it should first look after other country's peoples.
/// So yes, I do believe we have the resources, but not the will, to address both problems, and a lot more besides. ///
But that does not answer the problem, yes in an utopian situation, it would be good to look after both. but that is not going to happen.
So now please answer this, should the government first look after it's own people especially it's own ex-service men and women or choose to look after other country's people?
A simple YES, it should look after the needs of it's own first or NO, it should first look after other country's peoples.
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