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I know you can't judge people by appearances, but why is it that not one of the people supporting this party look and sound like people you would want to spend above thirty seconds with?
17:11 Mon 28th Sep 2015
Baldric - /I know you can't judge people by appearances, but why is it that not one of the people supporting this party look and sound like people you would want to spend above thirty seconds with?///
And this from someone who has recently criticised other posters for forming opinions based on appearance???//
Which bit of ‘I know you can’t judge people by appearances …’ slipped past you Baldric?
And this from someone who has recently criticised other posters for forming opinions based on appearance???//
Which bit of ‘I know you can’t judge people by appearances …’ slipped past you Baldric?
"To be purely anti Islam is reprehensible, but if a party was anti Islamic- Fascism I would sign up like a shot".
Disagree with that point, Khandro. Do you recall, by the way, that this distinction is discussed in the Abdel Samad video?
I won't interrupt Mikey's thread. Will post on your original Mein Kampf in the Islamic world.
Disagree with that point, Khandro. Do you recall, by the way, that this distinction is discussed in the Abdel Samad video?
I won't interrupt Mikey's thread. Will post on your original Mein Kampf in the Islamic world.
andy-hughes
/// I know you can't judge people by appearances, but why is it that not one of the people supporting this party look and sound like people you would want to spend above thirty seconds with? ///
And isn't that exactly what you are doing, judging people by appearance?
But then their opposite number, are not any difference, and in most cases, very much worse it would seem from this report.
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This description is of America's Left, but it would appear it crosses the Atlantic most satisfactory.
/// Few things spook normal law-abiding, job-holding Americans more than a motley bunch of left-wing protesters. It's not just their politics that put us off -- it's their slovenly (often bizarre) dress, their bad grooming habits (or total lack of such), and most of all their obscenity-spouting anger, grim humorlessness, and smug self-importance. Just who are these foul-mouthed, foul-smelling characters clogging our streets and college campuses, protesting everything from globalization to genetically modified food to tax cuts? ///
/// I know you can't judge people by appearances, but why is it that not one of the people supporting this party look and sound like people you would want to spend above thirty seconds with? ///
And isn't that exactly what you are doing, judging people by appearance?
But then their opposite number, are not any difference, and in most cases, very much worse it would seem from this report.
http://
This description is of America's Left, but it would appear it crosses the Atlantic most satisfactory.
/// Few things spook normal law-abiding, job-holding Americans more than a motley bunch of left-wing protesters. It's not just their politics that put us off -- it's their slovenly (often bizarre) dress, their bad grooming habits (or total lack of such), and most of all their obscenity-spouting anger, grim humorlessness, and smug self-importance. Just who are these foul-mouthed, foul-smelling characters clogging our streets and college campuses, protesting everything from globalization to genetically modified food to tax cuts? ///
Apart from the protest subjects, this seems an adequate description of the British Far Right brigade!
I think what we agree on is that neither side adds anything useful to the politics they claim to represent, since their actions are based on a primal need to belong to a group, and enjoy shouting in the street with other like-minded people.
Both sides are a distraction from the merits of their causes.
I think what we agree on is that neither side adds anything useful to the politics they claim to represent, since their actions are based on a primal need to belong to a group, and enjoy shouting in the street with other like-minded people.
Both sides are a distraction from the merits of their causes.
mikey4444
/// The party was founded by Jim Dowson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to loyalist militants in Belfast. ///
Wow what a very nasty individual indeed, how dare he hold certain views on abortion, and also being a person who supports Britain in Northern Ireland.
/// If that wasn't bad enough, in May 2014, Britain First announced that it would be deploying "hundreds of ex-British Forces" alongside "several armoured ex-army Land Rovers" to protect the UKIP leader Nigel Farage after he had been opposed on the street by supporters of Scottish independence. ///
Instead of criticising them for offering to protect Nigel Farage, you should be asking why he should need protecting from an opposing party on the streets of a democratic country such as this?
You also obviously disagree with "solidarity patrols" in areas of London with high Jewish populations so as to protect them their main opponents the Muslims.
But in the end it isn't about abortion, Belfast loyalists, UKIP, the Jews, or even about Britain First.
It's your usual 'Muslim Apologist' stance coming out once again.
/// The party was founded by Jim Dowson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to loyalist militants in Belfast. ///
Wow what a very nasty individual indeed, how dare he hold certain views on abortion, and also being a person who supports Britain in Northern Ireland.
/// If that wasn't bad enough, in May 2014, Britain First announced that it would be deploying "hundreds of ex-British Forces" alongside "several armoured ex-army Land Rovers" to protect the UKIP leader Nigel Farage after he had been opposed on the street by supporters of Scottish independence. ///
Instead of criticising them for offering to protect Nigel Farage, you should be asking why he should need protecting from an opposing party on the streets of a democratic country such as this?
You also obviously disagree with "solidarity patrols" in areas of London with high Jewish populations so as to protect them their main opponents the Muslims.
But in the end it isn't about abortion, Belfast loyalists, UKIP, the Jews, or even about Britain First.
It's your usual 'Muslim Apologist' stance coming out once again.
AOG - ///// The party was founded by Jim Dowson, an anti-abortion campaigner linked to loyalist militants in Belfast. ///
Wow what a very nasty individual indeed, how dare he hold certain views on abortion, and also being a person who supports Britain in Northern Ireland. //
His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed - before we get to the 'militants' link!
Wow what a very nasty individual indeed, how dare he hold certain views on abortion, and also being a person who supports Britain in Northern Ireland. //
His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed - before we get to the 'militants' link!
andy-hughes
/// Apart from the protest subjects, this seems an adequate description of the British Far Right brigade! ///
What does?
Whatever it is, does that also give an adequate description of the British Far Left brigade?
/// I think what we agree on is that neither side adds anything useful to the politics they claim to represent, since their actions are based on a primal need to belong to a group, and enjoy shouting in the street with other like-minded people. ///
Would you have all protest groups banned or just far-right ones?
/// Apart from the protest subjects, this seems an adequate description of the British Far Right brigade! ///
What does?
Whatever it is, does that also give an adequate description of the British Far Left brigade?
/// I think what we agree on is that neither side adds anything useful to the politics they claim to represent, since their actions are based on a primal need to belong to a group, and enjoy shouting in the street with other like-minded people. ///
Would you have all protest groups banned or just far-right ones?
andy-hughes
/// His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed ///
Just because a person might hold different views on abortion to you and others, doesn't make him a "very nasty individual indeed"
Does that also make those who disagree with voluntary euthanasia, "very nasty individuals" as well?
/// His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed ///
Just because a person might hold different views on abortion to you and others, doesn't make him a "very nasty individual indeed"
Does that also make those who disagree with voluntary euthanasia, "very nasty individuals" as well?
AOG - //andy-hughes
/// His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed ///
Just because a person might hold different views on abortion to you and others, doesn't make him a "very nasty individual indeed" //
We must agree to disagree on this one AOG - I have absolutely no time at all for anyone who regards the termination of a pregnancy as being anyone's decision but the mother's - assuming she is in a fit mental state to make that decision.
//Does that also make those who disagree with voluntary euthanasia, "very nasty individuals" as well?//
That is an entirely different debate, and I have no wish to side-line mikey's thread. If you wish to start a thread on that subject, I will be delighted to join you there.
/// His views on abortion make him a very nasty individual indeed ///
Just because a person might hold different views on abortion to you and others, doesn't make him a "very nasty individual indeed" //
We must agree to disagree on this one AOG - I have absolutely no time at all for anyone who regards the termination of a pregnancy as being anyone's decision but the mother's - assuming she is in a fit mental state to make that decision.
//Does that also make those who disagree with voluntary euthanasia, "very nasty individuals" as well?//
That is an entirely different debate, and I have no wish to side-line mikey's thread. If you wish to start a thread on that subject, I will be delighted to join you there.
vetuste - //I see. What exactly are his views on abortion, Andy?//
He is an anti-abortionist.
//And why do they make him a very nasty person?//
Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about the future of her pregnancy.
He is an anti-abortionist.
//And why do they make him a very nasty person?//
Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about the future of her pregnancy.
Svejk - //Why shouldn't non-mothers have a view on abortion?//
Anyone can have a view on anything.
It is when organisations start to prevent the choice being made by the one person entitled to make it that the problems occur.
Have an opinion - fine, no worries at all.
Turn your opinion into an action the prevents the free will of a pregnant woman - absolutely not fine, lots of worries.
Anyone can have a view on anything.
It is when organisations start to prevent the choice being made by the one person entitled to make it that the problems occur.
Have an opinion - fine, no worries at all.
Turn your opinion into an action the prevents the free will of a pregnant woman - absolutely not fine, lots of worries.
"Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about the future of her pregnancy.".
Is that equally true if the foetus is one week, three months, or eight months old, Andy.
In what way would you argue differently, if at all, if the foetus had turned into a baby and was two hours old?
Is that equally true if the foetus is one week, three months, or eight months old, Andy.
In what way would you argue differently, if at all, if the foetus had turned into a baby and was two hours old?
andy-hughes
/// Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about ///
Oh so any woman, no matter what her motives may be, can terminate another human beings life, even a perfectly healthy foetus?
At what stage does an individual become a human being?
/// Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about ///
Oh so any woman, no matter what her motives may be, can terminate another human beings life, even a perfectly healthy foetus?
At what stage does an individual become a human being?
vetuste - //"Because subject to competence, the mother carrying the foetus should be the one and the only person who makes the decision about the future of her pregnancy.".
Is that equally true if the foetus is one week, three months, or eight months old, Andy.
In what way would you argue differently, if at all, if the foetus had turned into a baby and was two hours old? //
The finer points of the issue are infinite - every case is individual, and that is the point. I would only be willing to enter into a discussion with someone close to me who was contemplating such a decision - and I have been in that situation.
So we could go on for ever defining the 'right' time for a termination - but that is not what this thread is about.
Returning to the point I am making, I believe that the choice for a termination is to be given to the mother, and that should not include pressure of any kind from other people who have alternate views, but do not have to bear the consequences of that decision, however it is made.
Is that equally true if the foetus is one week, three months, or eight months old, Andy.
In what way would you argue differently, if at all, if the foetus had turned into a baby and was two hours old? //
The finer points of the issue are infinite - every case is individual, and that is the point. I would only be willing to enter into a discussion with someone close to me who was contemplating such a decision - and I have been in that situation.
So we could go on for ever defining the 'right' time for a termination - but that is not what this thread is about.
Returning to the point I am making, I believe that the choice for a termination is to be given to the mother, and that should not include pressure of any kind from other people who have alternate views, but do not have to bear the consequences of that decision, however it is made.
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