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Another Presidential Wannabe Puts His Foot In It !
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It's not even the worst he's said. Following the quote towards the end:
"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.",
(which to be fair isn't totally unreasonable advice, although it risks making cowards of those who don't stand up)... at various times when making that point, anyway, he's had a tendency to smile and even laugh. Which needless to say hasn't come across all that well.
Apparently Ben Carson has been in a situation where someone pointed a gun at him. In a shop as a customer once. Carson's response, if his own quote is to be believed, was to tell the gunman "I believe you want the guy behind the counter." So... yeah.
"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.",
(which to be fair isn't totally unreasonable advice, although it risks making cowards of those who don't stand up)... at various times when making that point, anyway, he's had a tendency to smile and even laugh. Which needless to say hasn't come across all that well.
Apparently Ben Carson has been in a situation where someone pointed a gun at him. In a shop as a customer once. Carson's response, if his own quote is to be believed, was to tell the gunman "I believe you want the guy behind the counter." So... yeah.
Sadly he isn't the only one who does believe it. What seems to have happened is that some Americans have taken a part of the story that is the build-up of the Third Reich, gun control (that did happen, albeit started many years earlier by the Weimar regime), and conflated it to be the single biggest contributor to the Nazi's rise to power. Of course, it's only one of the smaller parts in a host of other issues. But good luck trying to convince any gun fanatic of that.
A final, possibly revealing, direct quote:
"I grew up in the slums of Detroit. I saw plenty of gun violence as a child. Both of my cousins were killed on the streets. As a Doctor, I spent many a night pulling bullets out of bodies. There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
(His (partial) response on a Facebook Q&A session with regard to his position on the Second Amendment.)
"I grew up in the slums of Detroit. I saw plenty of gun violence as a child. Both of my cousins were killed on the streets. As a Doctor, I spent many a night pulling bullets out of bodies. There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
(His (partial) response on a Facebook Q&A session with regard to his position on the Second Amendment.)
erm the Jews in the Ghetto uprising would have killed more than 20 if they had had rifles innit ?.
recollect there is a separate later Warsaw Uprising ( 1944)
by the Polish Home Army which was also ham strung by lack of er everything ( xc Poles who died )
yup two for those who like to count
carrying a firearm as a Polish civilian was a capital offence ( not surprisingly actually )
Those industrialised Germans ( the ones who brought you the London Blitz ) also pioneered the concept of Prison Cities - of which Warsaw, Lwow, Lviv Lodz ( woodge to us ) Minsk, Kiev were but some
recollect there is a separate later Warsaw Uprising ( 1944)
by the Polish Home Army which was also ham strung by lack of er everything ( xc Poles who died )
yup two for those who like to count
carrying a firearm as a Polish civilian was a capital offence ( not surprisingly actually )
Those industrialised Germans ( the ones who brought you the London Blitz ) also pioneered the concept of Prison Cities - of which Warsaw, Lwow, Lviv Lodz ( woodge to us ) Minsk, Kiev were but some
morning Jim.... finished your long-sums prep early ? !
//"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.", //
is what the marine said on the French train innit when he overpowered the terr' ? [ The nearer I get to him, the less chance I have of dying and if I run I am a dead man ]
The one who has last night been stabbed in a californian bar
Blimey it is a rough world out there
//"I would not just stand there and let him shoot me. I would say, hey, guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can't get us all.", //
is what the marine said on the French train innit when he overpowered the terr' ? [ The nearer I get to him, the less chance I have of dying and if I run I am a dead man ]
The one who has last night been stabbed in a californian bar
Blimey it is a rough world out there
I think you're far too dismissive of "bonkers" Republican chances. Not least because right now Hilary Clinton is hitting more serious challenges, so far as I can see. A presidential candidate that looks to have been corrupted by the system and has had her own hand in secrecy and even corruption is likely to struggle against a candidate that can claim to be honest and refreshing, and known for speaking his/ her mind rather than mincing words.
As a case in point, despite how utterly stupid they both sound to British ears, Trump and Carson are position a clear first and second in the republican polls. A year from now when the election proper takes place, who knows? But you could read Trump and Carson as the Republican version of the sudden surge in popularity, in the UK, of Corbyn. People from (largely) outside the system who come across as honest, even if their honestly held positions don't stand up to scrutiny or are even, in some cases, outrageously offensive.
The smart money probably would go to Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio as the eventual winner, but Trump's lead is still stupidly clear of the rest, and withdrawal of certain of the candidates with no chance of winning may even help that lead to grow. And when it comes to the race proper... well, I wouldn't bet against Trump if he made it that far, against a fairly tame and frankly boring Clinton.
Unless Bernie Sanders wins that race, in which case the slightly more moderate Americans have a candidate to match the energy and charisma of Trump/ Carson without being a total crackpot.
As a case in point, despite how utterly stupid they both sound to British ears, Trump and Carson are position a clear first and second in the republican polls. A year from now when the election proper takes place, who knows? But you could read Trump and Carson as the Republican version of the sudden surge in popularity, in the UK, of Corbyn. People from (largely) outside the system who come across as honest, even if their honestly held positions don't stand up to scrutiny or are even, in some cases, outrageously offensive.
The smart money probably would go to Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio as the eventual winner, but Trump's lead is still stupidly clear of the rest, and withdrawal of certain of the candidates with no chance of winning may even help that lead to grow. And when it comes to the race proper... well, I wouldn't bet against Trump if he made it that far, against a fairly tame and frankly boring Clinton.
Unless Bernie Sanders wins that race, in which case the slightly more moderate Americans have a candidate to match the energy and charisma of Trump/ Carson without being a total crackpot.
The nutcases are just there to keep the media occupied. Like a sabo, they can drop away, just before the voting stage and allow Jeb to go forward, having had only the minimum of negative attention paid to him. Compared to the others, he will seem sober (character not ethanol intake) and electable.
I haven't heard the phrase "hanging chad" since the election in which he got into office. Or am I misremembifying again?
I haven't heard the phrase "hanging chad" since the election in which he got into office. Or am I misremembifying again?
@Svejk
Your post isn't aimed at anyone in particular. Whose heroine is Clinton?
Former first lady becomes President is just too Hollywood for words. I think she is there, similarly, to take the flak for as long as it takes for the meeja to get their evidence collection into a robust state and prove what you just said. Then the true candidate will emerge from the shadows and there will not be time to find the dirt on them before the polls open.
Your post isn't aimed at anyone in particular. Whose heroine is Clinton?
Former first lady becomes President is just too Hollywood for words. I think she is there, similarly, to take the flak for as long as it takes for the meeja to get their evidence collection into a robust state and prove what you just said. Then the true candidate will emerge from the shadows and there will not be time to find the dirt on them before the polls open.
Amazing the criticisms you can up with Mikey. Here's the facts behind Carson's comments:
"The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil. The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not. In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.” During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews. In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned. The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo…"
Read more at: http://
Fact is, Dr. Carson is greatly feared (my estimation) by the Democrat Party here, simply because they don't know how to respond to him. He's (obviously) a black man, Dr. of Neuro-surgery specializing in ailments of children, longtime head of Neurosurgery at the world renown Johns Hopkins University, committed Christian and well as being low key, well spoken and well liked, rising from a child hood of poverty to, in some recent polls, first place in a field of 16 for the nomination. Nut case? Far from it, but like the Democrats here, some just simply don't know what to do with an intelligent, well spoke and thoughtful black man… isn't that racisim at it's rawest?
"The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil. The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not. In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.” During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews. In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned. The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo…"
Read more at: http://
Fact is, Dr. Carson is greatly feared (my estimation) by the Democrat Party here, simply because they don't know how to respond to him. He's (obviously) a black man, Dr. of Neuro-surgery specializing in ailments of children, longtime head of Neurosurgery at the world renown Johns Hopkins University, committed Christian and well as being low key, well spoken and well liked, rising from a child hood of poverty to, in some recent polls, first place in a field of 16 for the nomination. Nut case? Far from it, but like the Democrats here, some just simply don't know what to do with an intelligent, well spoke and thoughtful black man… isn't that racisim at it's rawest?
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