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14% poulation increase ... we had better get busy building some infrastructure.
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14% poulation increase ... we had better get busy building some infrastructure.
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Opening some of the links/pdf's may spoil your breakfast.
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Whatever problems we may face in the future, its nothing compared to China.
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More people = more schools, more houses, more mosques, more prisons, more car parks, more roads ... etc, etc
This Green And Pleasant Land will be considerably less green.
Less arable land even less able to feed the population, more dependent on others for food.
Buckle your belts We're all in this together!
This Green And Pleasant Land will be considerably less green.
Less arable land even less able to feed the population, more dependent on others for food.
Buckle your belts We're all in this together!
Talbot...sounds like a lot infrastructure renewal and upgrading to me...even better news for all our unemployed !
Lets get training all those extra bricklayers, electricians, carpenters, etc that we are going to need.....Bring back woodwork lessons in schools !
Convert "Metropolitan Universities" back into Technical Colleges !
Lets get training all those extra bricklayers, electricians, carpenters, etc that we are going to need.....Bring back woodwork lessons in schools !
Convert "Metropolitan Universities" back into Technical Colleges !
'Assumed net migration'
'The projections are the outcome of a calculation showing what happens if particular assumptions
are made. As a forecast of the future population they would inevitably be proved wrong, to a greater
or lesser extent. As well as not taking into account future government policies, there is uncertainty
in the underlying data – for example, estimates of the current population or of past migration flows –
on which the projections are based. In addition, there is inevitable uncertainty in the assumptions
reflecting the inherent unpredictability of demographic behaviour. The latter reason means that
projections become increasingly uncertain the further they are carried forward into the future.'
' this should be treated with caution in view of the
increased uncertainty on demographic behaviour that far in the future.'
'The projections are the outcome of a calculation showing what happens if particular assumptions
are made. As a forecast of the future population they would inevitably be proved wrong, to a greater
or lesser extent. As well as not taking into account future government policies, there is uncertainty
in the underlying data – for example, estimates of the current population or of past migration flows –
on which the projections are based. In addition, there is inevitable uncertainty in the assumptions
reflecting the inherent unpredictability of demographic behaviour. The latter reason means that
projections become increasingly uncertain the further they are carried forward into the future.'
' this should be treated with caution in view of the
increased uncertainty on demographic behaviour that far in the future.'
One has to find places to build more accommodation and that doesn't solve the issue of too many people. It merely encourages it.
For sure if helps with an immediate problem but longer term that is all that is offered and the issue gets worse & worse with each passing year.
Immigration should be stopped save for genuine asylum cases. A 'special case' system could check any applications for which there is an argument for exception.
Meanwhile parents rather than the taxpayer should be the main provider for offspring. Health and schooling can come under citizens' rights but most things should be left to the parents. That might prevent some taking the Mick and expecting the State (i.e. others) to pay for their brood.
For sure if helps with an immediate problem but longer term that is all that is offered and the issue gets worse & worse with each passing year.
Immigration should be stopped save for genuine asylum cases. A 'special case' system could check any applications for which there is an argument for exception.
Meanwhile parents rather than the taxpayer should be the main provider for offspring. Health and schooling can come under citizens' rights but most things should be left to the parents. That might prevent some taking the Mick and expecting the State (i.e. others) to pay for their brood.
If they don't then they'll be on welfare for being poor, not for being parents; and will have to budget the money from that to cover their needs. But yes they should be genuinely trying to get a job, or already have one. Easier done if there is not an overpopulation all trying for insufficient job positions. All the more reason to encourage control of the population size.
//Talbot...sounds like a lot infrastructure renewal and upgrading to me...even better news for all our unemployed !
Lets get training all those extra bricklayers, electricians, carpenters, etc that we are going to need.....//
where would you propose putting all this new infrastructure? I know, the Gower peninsula is pretty much wasted as it is - let's concrete over it with a mega city. yeah, that'll save the expense of maintaining its area of outstanding natural beauty status.
Lets get training all those extra bricklayers, electricians, carpenters, etc that we are going to need.....//
where would you propose putting all this new infrastructure? I know, the Gower peninsula is pretty much wasted as it is - let's concrete over it with a mega city. yeah, that'll save the expense of maintaining its area of outstanding natural beauty status.
The same source of money that was used when we cleaned up all those 10,000's of places after the deindustrialization policies of the 80's and 90's Mush.
Britain in 1945 was on its knees with 100,000 of people homeless and huge bomb damage to our cities, courtesy of the Luftwaffe. But we still seemed to build our way back to prosperity then and there is no reason why we shouldn't do it again. Clement Attlee's post-war Labour government built more than a million council houses and even the Tories continued to do the same.
On Wednesday, the Land Registry said that the typical house price in London in September was very close to £500,000. We need much more affordable housing, not more expensive housing that most people can't afford.
I am a firm believer in building our way to prosperity...we have done it before and we can do it again.
Britain in 1945 was on its knees with 100,000 of people homeless and huge bomb damage to our cities, courtesy of the Luftwaffe. But we still seemed to build our way back to prosperity then and there is no reason why we shouldn't do it again. Clement Attlee's post-war Labour government built more than a million council houses and even the Tories continued to do the same.
On Wednesday, the Land Registry said that the typical house price in London in September was very close to £500,000. We need much more affordable housing, not more expensive housing that most people can't afford.
I am a firm believer in building our way to prosperity...we have done it before and we can do it again.
You never can know, see Thomas Malthus, the 'Malthusian Theory' points to epidemics that diminished urban populations after early periods of urbanization as evidence that Mathus' predictions were correct. For example, from 1918-1922, an estimated 75,000,000 people worldwide are thought to have died from an influenza epidemic. Malthusians would cite this as a natural check on populations that were outpacing natural resource availability.
“The fact is nobody really knows what the future will bring.”
That’s most certainly true, Khandro. But we need to take a stab at it in order to make some provisions. One thing I think we can be assured of and that is that the projection will almost certainly prove to be wrong (almost all such forecasts are). However, more importantly, unless this country’s policies change and change urgently, the ONS projection will not only be wrong, it will almost certainly be an under-estimate.
Almost all the reaction to this announcement (especially Mikey’s :-) ) seems to revolve around accommodating such an increase. “Build more ‘affordable’ homes”; “train up thousands of bricklayers and carpenters” (though I note there is no mention of doctors, nurses or teachers). The UK (or indeed the world) cannot continue with an ever increasing population. It’s utter madness. Governments need to develop economic models which will cope with, at worst, a level population and preferably one that is in slight decline.
Another interesting aspect of the debate is this:
That’s most certainly true, Khandro. But we need to take a stab at it in order to make some provisions. One thing I think we can be assured of and that is that the projection will almost certainly prove to be wrong (almost all such forecasts are). However, more importantly, unless this country’s policies change and change urgently, the ONS projection will not only be wrong, it will almost certainly be an under-estimate.
Almost all the reaction to this announcement (especially Mikey’s :-) ) seems to revolve around accommodating such an increase. “Build more ‘affordable’ homes”; “train up thousands of bricklayers and carpenters” (though I note there is no mention of doctors, nurses or teachers). The UK (or indeed the world) cannot continue with an ever increasing population. It’s utter madness. Governments need to develop economic models which will cope with, at worst, a level population and preferably one that is in slight decline.
Another interesting aspect of the debate is this:
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