Is Anyone Else Starting To Like Donald Trump?

[ToraToraTora]

I mean anyone who get's the left/anti British spitting out their organic peace muesli must be doing something right!

[jim360]

I woke up this morning after putting away my overnight indoctrination tapes to find a thread claiming that a man who proposes the sort of action more associated with despotic fascism is, apparently, doing something right....

Ho hum.

[Svejk]

Why not. He's addressing worries that ordinary people have but no-one else (Nigel Farage, excepted) dares address.

[murraymints]

hmm.we are all entitled to an opinion.....not mine but hey ho....

[TheChair]

I wouldn't have classed Boris Johnson, David Cameron or the Metropolitan Police as left/anti British. Still, I understand from your other posts that you are always right, so I guess I'll have to take your word for it.

[Svejk]

Jim, read the letters under this article and open your closed mind.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/08/the-guardian-view-on-donald-trump-islamophobia-no-sense-of-decency

[douglas9401]

It's rare to find a person with absolutely no redeeming features and as such he should be locked away safely and protected from danger.

[jim360]

"Closed mind", "brainwashed"... the right don't seem to get that open-minded people can still disagree with them.

[Svejk]

Blimey, fair play, you're a quick reader, jim.

[Svejk]

///"Closed mind", "brainwashed"... the right don't seem to get that open-minded people can still disagree with them.///

Signed 'the petition' yet, jim? ;o)

[jim360]

No, I was addressing the "closed mind" comment. I'll try to get around to reading some of the comments later -- although if any of them can explain how treating around 1.5 billion people as if they were all potential terrorists is in any way rational -- not to mention, in the US, how it can be reconciled with their Constitution -- then I'l be amazed.

One can acknowledge that there is a problem with Islamic extremism while also recognising that Trump's suggestion is utterly without merit.

[jim360]

Oh, and since you ask, no I haven't and nor am I going to sign the petition. But if Trump ever turned up in the UK to give a speech I'd make sure I was booked for something else that day.

[andy-hughes]

Svejk - 'Addressing' is not the same as 'pandering'.

[Quizmonster]

Well said, Douglas! I was just about to say that the kindest thing for Trump would be if some large men in white coats gently coaxed him into an unmarked vehicle and deposited him in a luxurious building behind high walls - such as Mel Brooks's Massachussetts Home for the Bewildered in 'High Anxiety' - there to be treated kindly for the rest of his days.

[naomi24]

Jim, //the sort of action more associated with despotic fascism//


One could be forgiven for thinking you're talking about radical Islam there. ;o)

[youngmafbog]

If you were open minded then you would see that he is striking a chord and though he puts things in the extreme is making some valid points.

Political correctness has been used by the left and Islington brigade to gag the masses. Trump. Farage has the *** to say something and of course the name calling and calls for a gagging order (a ban from the shores) start.

It is not the right that are close minded is it? We're not calling for a ban on lefties from the country.

[youngmafbog]

//I was just about to say that the kindest thing for Trump would be if some large men in white coats gently coaxed him into an unmarked vehicle ... /

Yes, why not gag someone who you disagree with?

That is the type of closed mind we are talking about jum.

[jim360]

Well funnily enough, in some sense yes, I am. I'd not wish to compare Trump and his supporters to ISIS in any meaningful way, which would be as disgusting as Livingstone's apparent insistence that the 7/7 bombers were martyrs. No matter how awful I find Trump's proposal here it's not even in the same league as the least of ISIS' crimes.

Both world views are common in as much as they are deeply divisive, though. Trump's advocacy of a blanket exclusion of all Muslims -- except those born in the US, which in some sense reveals the stupidity of the plan, as a majority of terrorism is related to native people who have gone on to become radicalised -- is, as I have said on the main thread, exactly the sort of message that plays right into the hands of ISIS. Anything that supports the narrative of a "war" between Islam and the West, independent of what the Muslim person actually does, supports that narrative and makes ISIS' position in some sense more legitimate.

We absolutely must avoid supporting that narrative. Attack ISIS, and seek to defeat them, because they are a direct threat. Muslims as a whole, though? No.

[jomifl]

It's when Trump opens his mouth that you begin to understand why brain surgery was invented.

[jim360]

Obviously Trump is striking a chord. I can give him enough credit to know that he's seriously trying to run for President, and so anything he says is designed to try and support that. And, at least as far as the Republican race goes, it seems to be working (such a strategy is doomed to fail at the actual poll), as he remains streets ahead of the rest of the field. Enough people, in the US where it matters, and here where it does not, agree with him.

That doesn't make it right, or his suggestions reasonable (let alone workable, rather like the Wall along the entire Mexican border). It just means that there is a mentality among a lot of people that is taking a real and clear issue -- the danger of terrorism -- and turning it into something orders of magnitude more severe than it actually is.

[youngmafbog]

The underlying problem, that no one seems to be willing to address though is what to do with the supporters of ISIS, be that active (or inactive)

The aim of the majority of Muslims is to take over the World. Sharia law in place in all corners of it and all Kaffirs removed. It's written in their book of instructions. Now it's true there are many Muslims that do not follow that line of thought, but they need to stand up and out the ones that do. Until that happens the Kaiffir has no choice but to count all in.

Just like innicent Germans were interred. It's a sad fact of war and whilst tit is not a conventional one a war is what we are in and strict measures are required, not political correct thinking.