Racism Against Whites Exists In Africa.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3426266/White-Zimbabwean-farming-family-driven-land-make-way-black-British-doctor.html

As suggested by one reader, the British Government should now seize the GPs property here and use it to compensate the evicted farmer.

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //And meanwhile our liberal friends maintain ,in the UK, that HMG should give some of your hard earned wonga to Mr Mugabe to help develop the country. //

I like to think of myself as liberal, but I am certainly not in favour of the government giving a penny to Mr Mugabe because it doesn't go to develop his country, it goes into his bank accounts.

[anotheoldgit]

Ellipsis

/// And, also, I'm sure that Racism Against Blacks Exists In The UK. ///

That was just the headline, address the story.

How many times in the UK has a Black business man had his business and his home seized, so as to install a white person in his place?

[Ellipsis]

> How many times in the UK has a Black business man had his business and his home seized

I don't know AOG, do you? It seems to be what you're suggesting we do (OP:"the British Government should now seize the GPs property here"), whereas I was simply stating that racism is wrong wherever it exists.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //How many times in the UK has a Black business man had his business and his home seized, so as to install a white person in his place? //

To return to your earlier posts, and to ensure that you are clear about my view on this issue - I find Mr Mugabe a repellent racist thug, and his action in this instance is indefensible but ...

to carry out the same action against the individual involved in this country, would be to tacitly endorse Mr Mugabe's strong arm tactics as a way for a government to behave towards its citizens.

I believe strongly that it is wrong when Mr Mugabe has done it, and it would be worse if Mr Cameron did it - Mr Mugabe makes no pretence of caring for his people.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// I like to think of myself as liberal, but I am certainly not in favour of the government giving a penny to Mr Mugabe because it doesn't go to develop his country, it goes into his bank accounts. ///

And you think that any money that is ploughed into Africa doesn't also go to increase the lifestyles of a very large percentage of evil African despots?

Since Africa was the birthplace of man, isn't it time that it got off it's backside and started looking after itself, like most of the other countries and continents have leant to do?

[-Talbot-]

You can't seize his home but you can boycott his practice and look down on him as a scumbucket.
Then two perfectly good businesses would go down the pan.

[anotheoldgit]

Ellipsis

It won't be the first time that the British Government have seized the assets of certain individuals, is it only when they happen to be black that it is then termed racist?

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //And you think that any money that is ploughed into Africa doesn't also go to increase the lifestyles of a very large percentage of evil African despots? //

No I don't think that - which is why I did not say it.

//Since Africa was the birthplace of man, isn't it time that it got off it's backside and started looking after itself, like most of the other countries and continents have leant to do? //

I am unsure of the connection between the origin of the human species and the need for Africa to start looking after itself - I fail to see that those to concepts are connected in any way.

As a continent, Africa has developed countries, and undeveloped countries, but I don't agree that wagging a finger at undeveloped countries and effectively saying 'You should have sorted yourself out by now ... ' assists them in development.

We have to deal with the world as it is, not as we believe it should be, and I believe that properly aiding people who need it overrides the need to castigate them for failures that are not their fault.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - // It won't be the first time that the British Government have seized the assets of certain individuals, is it only when they happen to be black that it is then termed racist? //

If I may comment - the concept of racism is not the issue as far as any proposed action against the doctor is concerned.

Depriving him of is livelihood in order to make a point to a fascist dictator who is not listening and doesn't care what the British government think, is simply not the right way forward.

The colour of the Doctor's skin doesn't enter into it.

[Ellipsis]

If there's a legal reason for seizing assets then of course assets may be seized, but in this case there isn't a legal reason in the UK. Zimbabwe has its own laws, which you consider to be racist, so presumably you believe it's good that we don't have similarly racist laws here.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

Yes it is obvious you have repeatedly shown no love toward Mr Mugabe, and quite right also, but it would go a long way to prove you sincerity if you also condemned the two British citizens for accepting Mr Mugabe's evil offer.

Surely they are also conspiring in and also encouraging such wanton acts of racism as show here?

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //Yes it is obvious you have repeatedly shown no love toward Mr Mugabe, and quite right also, but it would go a long way to prove you sincerity if you also condemned the two British citizens for accepting Mr Mugabe's evil offer.

Surely they are also conspiring in and also encouraging such wanton acts of racism as show here? //

It would appear so - but it is early days yet.

It is possible that the doctor is in the process of formalising his rejection of the situation as I write, and until then, I am reluctant to jump on a witch-hunting bandwagon, if you'll excuse the mix of metaphors.

Should the doctor come out with statements advising his gleeful acceptance of the 'gift', or his advocation of his right to be enriched in this manner, then I will be among the first to add my name to the condemnation list.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

// AOG - And you think that any money that is ploughed into Africa doesn't also go to increase the lifestyles of a very large percentage of evil African despots? //

/// No I don't think that - which is why I did not say
it ///

You are so naive.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/548743/Foreign-aid-budget-goes-most-corrupt-regimes-world?_ga=1.85464921.1972918048.1449042186

/// I am unsure of the connection between the origin of the human species and the need for Africa to start looking after itself - I fail to see that those to concepts are connected in any way. ///

I am very surprised why you can't, if Africa was the first settlement of man, and then man started off to inhabit all other areas on earth, then why is it that these 'explorers' managed to settle in their countries of choice, made them habitual and later progressed to invent tools and machinery etc, while Africa staying fixed in it's pre-historic ways, until it was explored and colonised by the more advanced nations?

[sp1814]

AOG

Why should andy_hughes condemn these two, if you cannot bring yourself to condemn white racists (Chelsea hooligans on the Paris Metro)

Level playing field and all that.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //// AOG - And you think that any money that is ploughed into Africa doesn't also go to increase the lifestyles of a very large percentage of evil African despots? //

/// No I don't think that - which is why I did not say
it ///

You are so naive. //

Apologies - I mis-read your question - I do understand that money paid to African nations does, in a worrying large percentage of cases, go to line the pockets of despots rather than towards its intended recipients.

So, I am guilty of misinterpretation here, rather than naivety.

[andy-hughes]

sp1814 - //AOG

Why should andy_hughes condemn these two, if you cannot bring yourself to condemn white racists (Chelsea hooligans on the Paris Metro)

Level playing field and all that. //

A fair point I think.

[jackthehat]

For many years regular frequenters of the News section will have been aware of AOGs pleas that the leaders of this nation put the welfare/livelihood of the 'indigenous' population ahead of that of 'incomers'......

Could it not be said that this is exactly what Mr Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe?

[retrocop]

//sp1814
AOG

Why should andy_hughes condemn these two, if you cannot bring yourself to condemn white racists (Chelsea hooligans on the Paris Metro)

Level playing field and all that.//

Didn't take long for that old chestnut to be dragged out did it?
Firstly it is off topic and belongs in it's original post!!
Secondly: The level playing field has already,also been played out on 4 different posts re Black racism on London Transport buses recently.
That can be put to bed as off topic as well!!

[andy-hughes]

retrocop - //AOG

Why should andy_hughes condemn these two, if you cannot bring yourself to condemn white racists (Chelsea hooligans on the Paris Metro)

Level playing field and all that.//

Didn't take long for that old chestnut to be dragged out did it?
Firstly it is off topic and belongs in it's original post!! //

I don't think it is off-topic to challenge a viewpoint expressed, on the basis of a viewpoint expressed previously - in my view, it is pertinent to AOG's views expressed throughout the thread.

[andy-hughes]

jack - //For many years regular frequenters of the News section will have been aware of AOGs pleas that the leaders of this nation put the welfare/livelihood of the 'indigenous' population ahead of that of 'incomers'......

Could it not be said that this is exactly what Mr Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe? //

I'm going to file that in my 'I Wish I'd Thought Of That!' file!!