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Shouldn't This Peaceful Silent March Be Allowed To Take Place Without Violent Opposition?
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Khandro....Your assumption lies wide of the mark.
I don't want to see Sharia Law being imposed on Britain, which is one of the constant accusations that you hear coming out of Robinson and his ilk, any more than anyone else.
( although curiously, I am often accused of wanting it ! )
But to import a racist, divisive and provocative organisation from Germany isn't the way to do it....we have enough Far Right organisations of our own, without needing any more.
I don't want to see Sharia Law being imposed on Britain, which is one of the constant accusations that you hear coming out of Robinson and his ilk, any more than anyone else.
( although curiously, I am often accused of wanting it ! )
But to import a racist, divisive and provocative organisation from Germany isn't the way to do it....we have enough Far Right organisations of our own, without needing any more.
There is currently a disastrous war taking place in one of the Arab world's most ancient and civilisations. There are of course other factors at work too, but that is the primary reason for the current flood of people (some are actually Christian) of a different culture into Europe. It's a state of affairs that is not going to stop, Schengen or no Schengen, EU or no EU, until either that conflict stops, or the refugee centres in the Middle East are improved to the extent that they become more worthwhile places to stay.
A London conference has just had its annual meeting to discuss and allocate funding for the latter. The U.K. actually already contributes well to this fund, but more need to be done.
If there were marched organised to call for an end to the bombing in Syria by government and Russian forces, and for other countries of the EU and beyond, properly to address the crisis, then they'd certainly get my support, rather than a protest against a dubious and rather nebulous 'threat' which inevitably will be seen by many as a witch hunt against people.
And yes, the counter demonstrators are not helping and should stay away
A London conference has just had its annual meeting to discuss and allocate funding for the latter. The U.K. actually already contributes well to this fund, but more need to be done.
If there were marched organised to call for an end to the bombing in Syria by government and Russian forces, and for other countries of the EU and beyond, properly to address the crisis, then they'd certainly get my support, rather than a protest against a dubious and rather nebulous 'threat' which inevitably will be seen by many as a witch hunt against people.
And yes, the counter demonstrators are not helping and should stay away
-Talbot-
Good man. It's easy to fire accusations on AB, but hard to accept that those allegations might not necessarily be accurate, but based on gut feeling, rather than actual evidence.
Khandro - what you wrote at 10:11am needs further analysis. One can be against Pegida, but in favour of restricted immigration controls.
One can also be against Pegida, but still be concerned about the Islamification of Europe (whatever that means).
The problem with Pegida is that like any far right (and far left) group, it has attracted some unattractive supporters.
I think that you may have fallen into the trap that equates 'argue with' and 'demonstrate against' with 'trying to silence'.
It's something that has become quite prevalent in political discussions this century.
It's summarised thus:
"I hold views that you don't agree with, and if you argue against my views, you're trying to silence me."
It's a brand new standpoint.
It's odd.
Good man. It's easy to fire accusations on AB, but hard to accept that those allegations might not necessarily be accurate, but based on gut feeling, rather than actual evidence.
Khandro - what you wrote at 10:11am needs further analysis. One can be against Pegida, but in favour of restricted immigration controls.
One can also be against Pegida, but still be concerned about the Islamification of Europe (whatever that means).
The problem with Pegida is that like any far right (and far left) group, it has attracted some unattractive supporters.
I think that you may have fallen into the trap that equates 'argue with' and 'demonstrate against' with 'trying to silence'.
It's something that has become quite prevalent in political discussions this century.
It's summarised thus:
"I hold views that you don't agree with, and if you argue against my views, you're trying to silence me."
It's a brand new standpoint.
It's odd.
sp, I think those who see arguments as polarised (e.g. You hate Tommy Robinson, ergo you must be a leftie / you are against Pergida therefore you support Islam) display a lack of intelligence through their inability to distinguish the subtler facets of an argument. I'm afraid we just have to put up with it.
//jomifl
Will Jezza be there? he likes marches.//
Oh yes. He was there with Liam Byrne.He came up with a good strategy to stop his lefties disgracing themselves and beseen as the usual trouble makers.
Invite themselves around to Muslims houses and have a cup of tea with them whilst the march went ahead peacefully.
It almost 100% worked except for one who obviously preferred coffee. :-)
Will Jezza be there? he likes marches.//
Oh yes. He was there with Liam Byrne.He came up with a good strategy to stop his lefties disgracing themselves and beseen as the usual trouble makers.
Invite themselves around to Muslims houses and have a cup of tea with them whilst the march went ahead peacefully.
It almost 100% worked except for one who obviously preferred coffee. :-)
sp1815; //Khandro - what you wrote at 10:11am needs further analysis. One can be against Pegida, but in favour of restricted immigration controls.//
The aims of Pegida are not predicated only on the current immigration crisis. The 'Islamification' of Europe was, and is, already there. Only last October did the government finally see sense and block this;
http://
If this Saudi-financed obscene proposal -which was to be in addition to the already, over the top, east London mosque- isn't an attempt at Islamification what is?
p.s. The Saudis offer of 'help' to the UK's increased (Muslim) immigration problem is the offer to pay for the building of a further 250 mosques!
Neither I, nor Tommy Robisnson want this.
The aims of Pegida are not predicated only on the current immigration crisis. The 'Islamification' of Europe was, and is, already there. Only last October did the government finally see sense and block this;
http://
If this Saudi-financed obscene proposal -which was to be in addition to the already, over the top, east London mosque- isn't an attempt at Islamification what is?
p.s. The Saudis offer of 'help' to the UK's increased (Muslim) immigration problem is the offer to pay for the building of a further 250 mosques!
Neither I, nor Tommy Robisnson want this.
///"I hold views that you don't agree with, and if you argue against my views, you're trying to silence me."
It's a brand new standpoint.
It's odd///
It's not so odd, sp, in a week when The Guardian's 'Comment is Free' said it would no longer accept negative posts on Islam and/or immigration.
Ditto, the right wing blog, Guido Fawkes.
Ditto, Facebook after it's founder had a meeting with Mutti.
The recent stream of threads on AB criticising anyone with a negative view of Islam. Indeed, blaming the imminent demise of AB on such posts and wanting them banned.
Is it any wonder that people feel their freedom of speech is under threat.
It's a brand new standpoint.
It's odd///
It's not so odd, sp, in a week when The Guardian's 'Comment is Free' said it would no longer accept negative posts on Islam and/or immigration.
Ditto, the right wing blog, Guido Fawkes.
Ditto, Facebook after it's founder had a meeting with Mutti.
The recent stream of threads on AB criticising anyone with a negative view of Islam. Indeed, blaming the imminent demise of AB on such posts and wanting them banned.
Is it any wonder that people feel their freedom of speech is under threat.
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