Is Europe Crumbling?

[naomi24]

According to the Daily Express, Europe is turning against Brussels with anti-EU feeling spreading through the Continent.

Is it?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/648105/Revealed-secret-map-continent-doomed-EU-Europe

[Zacs-Master]

The refugee 'crisis' ( I don't think the work 'crisis' is justified BTW) is just one small facet of the debate about a Brexit. Ignore all,the others at your (my) peril. Especially the business ones.

[agchristie]

Zacs, I believe it is a crisis in that the numbers involved are too much for European governments to form a joined up plan. The domino effect of the border situation doesn't help. Germany has lost a proportion of them already, Turkey needs money and support etc.

I do agree with you that the Brexit debate is more wide ranging and let's hope the seriousness of the issue is effectively communicated to the public.

[webbo3]

So Zacs, if we leave as we are a net importer do you think the French will stop selling us their cheese, cars and wine.

Will the Germans stop selling us BMW's and Mercedes Benz cars and wine.

Will the Spanish etc etc etc,

Of course not, if we leave we can set up our own trade negotiation with Europe and the rest of the world.




Dave.

[Zacs-Master]

I suspect, at the risk of sounding elitist, that the gen pub don't have the capacity to refine the debate to such an extent. One problem of democracy I'm afraid.

[Zacs-Master]

Webbo, It's not the imports you should be worried about but the exports.

[agchristie]

Sorry, I overlooked another piece of evidence to constitute it being a crisis. The thousands of refugees who risk their lives at sea on flimsy vessels and the response teams constantly attempting to save their lives.

[agchristie]

Zacs > I suspect, at the risk of sounding elitist, that the gen pub don't have the capacity to refine the debate to such an extent.

No, I think that is a fair enough comment.

[Zacs-Master]

Worrying ain't it?

[webbo3]

Do you really think the rest of europe would stop trading with us, and out of europe we would be free to trade with the rest of the world set up our own agreements with other european countries.



Dave.

[Zacs-Master]

I don't think they'd stop trading with us. I just think that the trust built up by being an EU member would be put at risk and that we would see a significant trade reduction for a number of years until the remaining EU countries could be perceived to trust us again.

[agchristie]

It is worrying, to hear some people's reason for voting is staggering.

The amount of people I heard who did not understand what they were voting for in Scotland as to independence was another example.

[Zacs-Master]

The government realise this ag......why do you think it's taken them so long to agree to have a ref? The timing is perfect. 1 year into a term, Labour in complete disarray, and enough time to recover before the next elections. Damage limitation.

[webbo3]

Thats if they dont see the light Zacs and decide to leave the EU as well and just be part of the continent of Europe and not the corrupt EU.


Dave.

[Zacs-Master]

Decide to leave the Eu as well......
Sorry, as well as what. The whole debate is about us leaving the EU, what's the 'as well'?

[DTCwordfan]

Can somebody explain how Brexit is going to improve the ME migrant crisis. We already have control of our borders except for N-Ireland and the Republic and the Syrians/Afghanis aren't exactly pouring in there.

Secondly as to EU immigration, please tell me how the tourism sector will survive (11% of GDP) and also our horticultural sector of farming - the Brits are too lazy to take this work on. My own view is that the Govt should negotiate some employment engagement regulations on a Pan-Euro basis, i.e. jobs should be offered to locals for a given period, perhaps by different time bases to skill needs, and once the post stays unfilled, then it is offered to a wider audience. Then, at this point, conditions as to health, tax credits, rights etc come into play, perhaps sector specific too.

[Zacs-Master]

Agree with you DT. Not sure why you're singling out tourism and horticulture as it will affect all business. It's like unplugging all your cables from one computer network and expecting to be able to plug them straight back into another, doubtfully compatible, network and expecting it all,to work.

[DTCwordfan]

two big sectors as to EU employment but then look at the computing, biomedical, banking and car industries as examples and I would agree with you, and these employ the bright young things of the educated EU.....

[Zacs-Master]

Again, worrying for those of us able to do joined up thinking. Too many people just thinking it's about immigration and too many media sources dwelling on that to sell papers / get hits.

[webbo3]

When I say as well Zacs it might be that the uk leaving could start a domino effect when they all see there is life outside of the E.U.



Dave.

[Zacs-Master]

A risky gambit and a very big 'if'. All brexit voters should be prepared for at least 5 years of hardship. Just see how the markets react to even the slightest economic wobble let alone a full scale engine change!