Another Belter From The R0P

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35685981
Wonder what this poor little sod did to offend.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //Like you, I have 20-20 hindsight//

Not really. I took the trouble to think about it and look a bit further before ploughing in.

[Sir Alec]

"I think my presumption is on rather safer ground than yours, I am sure you would agree"

Andy, no I don't agree. What a smug and arrogant thing to say!

The men who decapitated that poor soldier were not talked about in this manner. Nor have other Muslims who've carried out this atrocious act.

Thanks wolf for the link, which indeed proves that the woman is yet another Muslim, forcing her vicious cruel religion on 'infidels' and 'unbelievers'.

[mrblear]

'Mad as a muslim', perhaps?

[youngmafbog]

Well she clearly linked her behavior to Islam, by yelling Allahu Akbar and "I am a terrorist," she cries. "I am your death."

[andy-hughes]

TTT - //the original link clearly makes this woman Islamic Andy. //

I understand that - it is that which the premise of your OP - that her behaviour is in.spired by, or at least linked to her faith.

As I have pointed out, there is no evidence that such a link is there

[andy-hughes]

ymb - //Well she clearly linked her behavior to Islam, by yelling Allahu Akbar and "I am a terrorist," she cries. "I am your death." //

As I have already advised, her dress and her speech confirm that the is a Muslim, they do not confirm that her religion influenced her behaviour in any way.

[Noe-schitt]

"As I have already advised, her dress and her speech confirm that the is a Muslim, they do not confirm that her religion influenced her behaviour in any way"
Keep digging

[andy-hughes]

Sir Alec - //Andy, no I don't agree. What a smug and arrogant thing to say! //

My apologies - no offence was meant.

//The men who decapitated that poor soldier were not talked about in this manner. Nor have other Muslims who've carried out this atrocious act. //

That is not the same scemario - killing a soldier was a planned and advertised act of jihhad, killing a child is not.

//Thanks wolf for the link, which indeed proves that the woman is yet another Muslim, forcing her vicious cruel religion on 'infidels' and 'unbelievers'. //

At the risk of reading like a jammed computer - it does not 'prove' anything at all.

It indicates that this woman is seriously mentally disturbed.

It proves that she is a Muslim.

It does not prove a link between those two facts.

[andy-hughes]

Noe-schitt - //Keep digging //

Keep assuming 2 and 2 makes 22.

[Noe-schitt]

I have made no assumptions here you may have made a valid point to start with but now you're digging a hole

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, //killing a soldier was a planned and advertised act of jihhad, killing a child is not. //

And you know that how? Do you know what Jihad means?

[andy-hughes]

Noe-schitt - //I have made no assumptions here you may have made a valid point to start with but now you're digging a hole //

In what way do you think I am 'digging a hole'?

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, //killing a soldier was a planned and advertised act of jihhad, killing a child is not. //

And you know that how? Do you know what Jihad means? //

Are you joining in the ranks of the select few who spend their days forensically analysing my posts and then finding faults and nit picking? I had thought better of you.

But for the record - I am making assumptions about the murder of Lee Rigby, and I am happy to acknowledge those - on the basis that the two murderers did happen across Mr Rigby by accident. They came to the barracks armed with weapons with the intention of murdering a soldier. I think it reasonable to conclude that it was an act of Jihad, and yes I do know what it means, thank you.

I do not know why this woman has killed this child - but none of us do.

The difference between myself and TTT and supporters, is that I am unwilling to link her psychotic behaviour with her religion simply because it is lazy stereotyping with no evidence.

I responded to the OP - not the links provided afterwards - and if evidence is forthcoming that proves that she murdered this child based on her perception of her faith, then that's a different matter.

As it stands, we don't even know for sure that she is the person who killed this child - much less why she may have done it.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, If you don't like being challenged, don't make claims you can't substantiate. You very clearly don't know what Jihad means or what the concept can engender.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - //andy-hughes, If you don't like being challenged, don't make claims you can't substantiate. You very clearly don't know what Jihad means or what the concept can engender. //

I have no problem with being challenged, or with fighting my corner.

I do have a problem with your regular assumptions about what I think, know and understand, but I can work round them.

[naomi24]

andy-hughes, I have no need to make assumptions about what you think. Your posts speak for themselves.

[anotheoldgit]

/// Are you joining in the ranks of the select few who spend their days forensically analysing my posts and then finding faults and nit picking? I had thought better of
you. ///

Why are you so special that others should not have your posts analysed, like the rest of us?

/// As it stands, we don't even know for sure that she is the person who killed this child - much less why she may have done it. ///

Oh yes, she just happened to come across a newly decapitated head of a child, picked it up and stuffed it in her bag?

[jackthehat]

Lordy.....
It took less that a single page to devolve into the usual 'andy-hughes...explain yourself!' nonsense.

I haven't been able to find an update to this news item and therefore am unable to confirm that this woman committed this dreadful act because, and *only* because, she is a muslim.

I'd be grateful if anyone could point me in the direction of news reports where this has been confirmed.

[Sir Alec]

"That is not the same scemario - killing a soldier was a planned and advertised act of jihhad, killing a child is not"

You still think that this woman did this because she is insane?
Not because of her religion, even though she was shouting Islamic phrases in the street, whilst carrying the child's head?
Isis are regularly beheading their own teenage followers for listening to Western music on the radio.
So, you are assuming that all of these people are insane. It's not because of their religion?

[andy-hughes]

Sir Alec - //You still think that this woman did this because she is insane?
Not because of her religion, even though she was shouting Islamic phrases in the street, whilst carrying the child's head? //

I think it is a reasonable assumption that - if this woman is found to have murdered this child, there is a strong chance that her sanity is in doubt - I am sure you would not disagree with me there?

//Isis are regularly beheading their own teenage followers for listening to Western music on the radio. //

Indeed they are - but that has no relavence to this thread whatsoever.

//So, you are assuming that all of these people are insane. It's not because of their religion? //

No, and this is the vital part that I seem unable to convey, I am not assuming anything!!!!!

Are the people who behead people who don't believe as they do insane?

More than likely.

Does their religion make them behead people?

No it does not.

Does the misinterpretation of religious doctrine by people who at best unbalanced, and at worse, insane, make them behead people?

Yes it does - but that does not provide a link between faith and insane behaviour.

A mouse is grey, a mouse has four legs and two ears. So does an elephant. Therefore a mouse is an elephant.

The link is there to be made - but not with logical thought and a little simple wider analysis.

So - to recap my position -

Is this woman a Muslim? - I think we can assume that she is.

Is this woman insane? Possibly, but that remains to be seen.

Has being a Muslim made her behead a child? See answer above.