Infection Control Or Religious Consideration?

[mushroom25]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6981906/Top-doc-axed-after-reporting-Muslim-surgeon-hijab-was-spotted-with-blood-before-op.html

who's got the moral high ground in this?

would you be ok with your surgeon breaking infection control rules because religion dictated a particular dress code?

[bazwillrun]

"accused the doc of racism. "

same ole same ole...Zzzzzz

[naomi24]

Divebuddy, // Quite why he saw fit to give this a public airing after all this time escapes me.//

I have to question why a member of a medical team thought it acceptable to wear bloodstained clothing or why others feel it's acceptable to take unscheduled prayer breaks. It must be very frustrating for those working alongside them so perhaps it’s high time someone spoke up. We’re not only entrusting our health to these people – we’re also paying their wages.

[Hypognosis]

In public service, strike days are unpaid and also are deducted during reckonable service calculations, so they have 1/365th of 1/80th of a year knocked off.

So, should they be "pay to pray" or should all such timeouts be logged and pay deductions be made annually?

Would this be discriminatory or fair?
Is not working the shift in an unbroken manner fair on patients?

Ultimately, this is a cultural matter. In their part of the world, they structure their day like this, nobody feels let down by the downing of tools. Westerners present, presumably, just have to sit and wait their turn.

So, it's the familiar tale of: - they can dictate terms in their own country but we're not allowed to do the equivalent to them, in ours.

"Yeah, seems legit."

[Hypognosis]

52 x 5-day weeks = 260 days

for each 10 minutes of timeout per day

2,600 minutes = 43hours 20 mins.

I've no idea what their conditioned hours are but that would be a full working week in some other areas of work.

So, ask your boss for a full week's pay, for no tangible return, today. Let us know how you get on.

[Svejk]

^Didn't he say, they tootle off for a prayer in the middle of operations.
More of a safety matter than financial, hypno.

[naomi24]

Svejk, I think he said a doctor recited the Koran during an operation. Personally, I'd much prefer he kept his mind on the job.

[naomi24]

... oh, and they take unscheduled prayer breaks.

[Svejk]

///Dr Rogozov also claimed Muslim staff took unscheduled prayer breaks during surgery and alleged a male doctor had recited from the Koran during an operation.///

[Svejk]

Crossed posts. ;o)

[naomi24]

^That's what I said.

[naomi24]

Haha! And again!

[Hypognosis]

@naomi

It can't be much different from being operated upon by someone singing, I dunno, pop songs or poety that they know by heart.

I tap out drum rhythms, 'on autopilot', while some other part of the brain tries to solve crossword clues. If I focus 100% on the crossword, I can't seem to make progress at all.

I think I'm wired up all wrong!

[retrocop]

Well I hope I am not wired up wrong when I visit old sparky tomorrow for a cardio version. And I hope the theatre staff aren't covered in someone elses blood either. I spent the best part of two days in the last two weeks in two seperate hospitals for two different procedures. The pre op assessments involved nasal/groin swabs to test I do not bring MRSA in with me to the hospital wards.If I am expected to be bug free on admittance I would hope I will be be bug free when leaving.
I think Baldric has an interesting story on lack of hygiene in A&E with regard to lack of handwashing and handling different cubicle curtains by a doctor. :-(

[naomi24]

svejk, employees of private companies don’t generally have other people’s lives in their hands and they aren’t paid by the public purse. I can’t think of a reason that this should be kept quiet – other than to avoid the controversy the truth creates.

Hypognosis, // It can't be much different from being operated upon by someone singing, I dunno, pop songs or poety that they know by heart.//

Doubt the ‘reciter’ would see it that way.

[Hypognosis]

@divebuddy

Correct. Young people don't seem to understand thay this is why people used to save their memoirs for when they've retired and the pension is in the bag.

Whilst it is probably "bad form", to gripe about colleagues' behaviour, these generally fall outside the scope of the Official Secrets Act and not sanctionable in themselves. Bringing the profession into disrepute is something else, entirely. At a guess, I'd say that was the BMA's area of concern.

I'm obviously wrong in that or it wouldn't be the hospital which was dishing out the disciplinary action.

[Svejk]

D'you mean Divebuddy, Naomi? I agree. I thought this gov brought in legislation to protect NHS whistleblowers.

[Svejk]

I guess muslims win in the game of top trumps.

[naomi24]

Svejk/Divebuddy, yes I did mean Divebuddy. Sorry both.