Infection Control Or Religious Consideration?

[mushroom25]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/6981906/Top-doc-axed-after-reporting-Muslim-surgeon-hijab-was-spotted-with-blood-before-op.html

who's got the moral high ground in this?

would you be ok with your surgeon breaking infection control rules because religion dictated a particular dress code?

[Svejk]

Aww.

[Svejk]

going for a sulk now. ;-(

[Hypognosis]

@divebuddy

//Like I said, as far as the woman who looked like a bucket of blood had been tipped over her - //

Did I misinterpret the article? It says the garment was "spotted with blood", not "spotted" (comma) "with [quantity][of] blood on it".

Blood spots are no less of an infection risk. In fact the whole thing about it is that bacteria aren't visible and tiny quantities are enough.


@retrocop

Best of luck with your operation.

[mushroom25]

wish i hadn't posted a link to the sun now - the "spotted with blood" bit only appeared in the Sun's iteration of the report. but i chose that because the alternative (at the time) was the daily mail and i knew fine well if i'd used that, i'd have to endure a *** storm about how the mail invents, twists, fabricates, lies, incites racism, stokes islamophobia, etc etc.

[Hypognosis]

You were unflappable whenever I addressed you as "svejnk" so, maybe, I should follow your example?

The trouble is, it spread: both sp1814 and hc4361 started doing it as well, so I thought it was a 'clubby' wind up.

[Hypognosis]

@Mush(n)room

The Sun plagiarising the Mail? There's one for the lawyers to decide, perhaps. I suppose insertion/modification doesn't necessary let them get off? Besides, that's "being factually incorrect", as I insist on calling it (other people say "making stuff up", which trips off the tongue a lot better but can be libellous).

[retrocop]

Thanks DB and Hypognosis.

[anotheoldgit]

mushroom25

/// but i chose that because the alternative (at the time) was the daily mail and i knew fine well if i'd used that, i'd have to endure a *** storm about how the mail invents, twists, fabricates, lies, incites racism, stokes islamophobia, etc etc. ///

Don't let the anti-Daily Mail Brigade frighten you from using the Mail's links.

It is similar to this case, if Dr Vladislav Rogozov had been scared of being called racist or islamophobic, we wouldn't have heard about this woman's attitude when she was confronted for her total disregard for operating theatre safety regulations.

May I enter the link on your behalf?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3479740/Consultant-suspended-hospital-confronting-surgeon-planned-operate-hijab-despite-against-safety-regulations.html

The hospital should know the name of this woman, why are they frightened to publish it?

[Hypognosis]

@mushroom25 (and indirectly at AOG)

//storm about how the mail

invents, twists, fabricates, lies,//

If true, then it should not be too hard to cite things they have put in print and (the hard part), using detailed knowledge of the cases concerned, prove them to be false.

//
incites racism,
//

Tricky, since - arguably - this is the work of a portion of their readership and the mental processing which occurs after they've read the DM's words. The latter are publically available for inspection and analysis, after the fact.

//
stokes islamophobia, etc etc.
//

This is subtly different; "working the audience". Sort of implies they know which buttons to push.

Anything written in the future tense, in a newspaper, is, of course, potentially suspect.

[jourdain2]

Good luck retrocop.

Anything other than clean, medical clothing is unacceptable in any sort of medical environment; nurses, orderleys, doctors, surgeons etc.. Scarves (no matter how pretty), hijabs etc. must be kept for off-duty times.

[Retrochic]

So with that thinking a non muslim Consultant must remove any item of 'personal' clothing before a Clinic (you did say ANY medical environment)

I am quite happy to have my female muslim consultant examine me and give injections as necessary wearing her scarf '

I will ask her next tine I see her if she wears it in surgery. Maybe this female muslim surgeon in the story was 'rogue' and most are quite willing to remove their hijab to replace it with a surgical cap.